13 Jan
2016
13 Jan
'16
3:59 p.m.
Re: [44net] Verifying the identities of IP
coordinators
From:
Don Fanning <don(a)00100100.net>
Date:
01/13/2016 05:56 PM
To:
AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Brian Kantor<Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
I just thought of another possibility. We could ask that the regional
coordinators do an audit of their IP spaces in conjunction with the
above suggestions as they're likely to have closer relationships with
the end user or be more familiar with the record keeping of their
countries amateur radio licensing. Then we can check off that IP
space as "claimed" or "reclaim" it back into the pool.
I have made an effort to do that. I tried to contact all hams that are in the current
allocation for the Netherlands, and asked them if they want to maintain their allocation.
As a result, some have replied they no longer want to use it, and I have deleted those
allocations. The ones that confirmed their allocation I put on a list with a datestamp.
But the vast majority of the hams could not be reached. I have no uptodate contact
info and even the old contact info is difficult to access (it is a folder in my mail
program
that stores all original requests starting in 2002, I don't even have those for the
addresses
requested before 2002).
I also regularly delete the allocations for hams that no longer appear in the official
callsign listing for the Netherlands. (I have done this every year, but recently I have
done
it weekly because starting from this year there is a fee for keeping an amateur callsign
and lots of inactive hams have removed their registration as a result)
I only keep the registrations in a hostsfile and use a script to send the updates to the
mail robot. As an afterthought, I should have kept a file with more info like date of
registration and contact address for each entry, but it would require a filtering system
so this information does not end up in the publicly visible file.
I like to keep everything in a textfile as opposed to some database with a web form
frontend, because it allows me to browse through the file to see where a new allocation
is to be put, something lacking from many address allocation systems including
the amprnet portal.
Rob
13 Jan
13 Jan
5:47 p.m.
New subject: Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
Often I hear from the End user at the request of an IP point in time.. Many
not, all never keep in touch those that do we work well together..
I could not tell from looking who is active who is not. And some of those
who I work with we only communicate when needed to do something to the
allocation... ie expand a subnet..?
On another not totally related note. >Hell as Packet Coordinator for Indiana
(not net44)... I have three hams who have ever submitted a coordination...
Yet there are stations popping up.. No one submitting...
73 jerry
Packet Coordinator Indiana
IP Coordinator Indiana
HF Skipnet Coordinator
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Subject: Re: [44net] Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
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Re: [44net] Verifying the identities of IP
coordinators
From:
Don Fanning <don(a)00100100.net>
Date:
01/13/2016 05:56 PM
To:
AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Brian Kantor<Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
I just thought of another possibility. We could ask that the regional
coordinators do an audit of their IP spaces in conjunction with the
above suggestions as they're likely to have closer relationships with
the end user or be more familiar with the record keeping of their
countries amateur radio licensing. Then we can check off that IP
space as "claimed" or "reclaim" it back into the pool.
I have made an effort to do that. I tried to contact all hams that are in
the current
allocation for the Netherlands, and asked them if they want to maintain
their allocation.
As a result, some have replied they no longer want to use it, and I have
deleted those
allocations. The ones that confirmed their allocation I put on a list with
a datestamp.
But the vast majority of the hams could not be reached. I have no uptodate
contact info and even the old contact info is difficult to access (it is a
folder in my mail program that stores all original requests starting in
2002, I don't even have those for the addresses requested before 2002).
I also regularly delete the allocations for hams that no longer appear in
the official callsign listing for the Netherlands. (I have done this every
year, but recently I have done it weekly because starting from this year
there is a fee for keeping an amateur callsign and lots of inactive hams
have removed their registration as a result)
I only keep the registrations in a hostsfile and use a script to send the
updates to the
mail robot. As an afterthought, I should have kept a file with more info
like date of
registration and contact address for each entry, but it would require a
filtering system so this information does not end up in the publicly visible
file.
I like to keep everything in a textfile as opposed to some database with a
web form frontend, because it allows me to browse through the file to see
where a new allocation is to be put, something lacking from many address
allocation systems including the amprnet portal.
Rob
6:11 p.m.
New subject: Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
You have to coordinate a packet station?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 13, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Jerry Kutche (N9LYA)
<n9lya(a)uronode.n9lya.ampr.org> wrote:
>
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
> Often I hear from the End user at the request of an IP point in time.. Many
> not, all never keep in touch those that do we work well together..
>
> I could not tell from looking who is active who is not. And some of those
> who I work with we only communicate when needed to do something to the
> allocation... ie expand a subnet..?
>
> On another not totally related note. >Hell as Packet Coordinator for Indiana
> (not net44)... I have three hams who have ever submitted a coordination...
> Yet there are stations popping up.. No one submitting...
>
>
> 73 jerry
> Packet Coordinator Indiana
> IP Coordinator Indiana
> HF Skipnet Coordinator
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 44Net
> [mailto:44net-bounces+n9lya=uronode.n9lya.ampr.org@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On
> Behalf Of Rob Janssen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:59 PM
> To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
> Subject: Re: [44net] Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
>
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
>
>> Re: [44net] Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
>> From:
>> Don Fanning <don(a)00100100.net>
>> Date:
>> 01/13/2016 05:56 PM
>>
>> To:
>> AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Brian Kantor<Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I just thought of another possibility. We could ask that the regional
>> coordinators do an audit of their IP spaces in conjunction with the
>> above suggestions as they're likely to have closer relationships with
>> the end user or be more familiar with the record keeping of their
>> countries amateur radio licensing. Then we can check off that IP
>> space as "claimed" or "reclaim" it back into the pool.
>
> I have made an effort to do that. I tried to contact all hams that are in
> the current
> allocation for the Netherlands, and asked them if they want to maintain
> their allocation.
>
> As a result, some have replied they no longer want to use it, and I have
> deleted those
> allocations. The ones that confirmed their allocation I put on a list with
> a datestamp.
>
> But the vast majority of the hams could not be reached. I have no uptodate
> contact info and even the old contact info is difficult to access (it is a
> folder in my mail program that stores all original requests starting in
> 2002, I don't even have those for the addresses requested before 2002).
>
> I also regularly delete the allocations for hams that no longer appear in
> the official callsign listing for the Netherlands. (I have done this every
> year, but recently I have done it weekly because starting from this year
> there is a fee for keeping an amateur callsign and lots of inactive hams
> have removed their registration as a result)
>
> I only keep the registrations in a hostsfile and use a script to send the
> updates to the
> mail robot. As an afterthought, I should have kept a file with more info
> like date of
> registration and contact address for each entry, but it would require a
> filtering system so this information does not end up in the publicly visible
> file.
>
> I like to keep everything in a textfile as opposed to some database with a
> web form frontend, because it allows me to browse through the file to see
> where a new allocation is to be put, something lacking from many address
> allocation systems including the amprnet portal.
>
> Rob
>
17 Jan
17 Jan
11:59 p.m.
New subject: Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:59:06 +0100, Rob Janssen wrote:
I tried to contact all hams that are in the current
allocation for
the Netherlands, and asked them if they want to maintain their
allocation.
I agree that verifying addresses is a good idea.
I also agree that Brian deserves help with the DNS, and I'd like to do that, but ...
I don't know what goes into it.
I've never implemented a DNS server. I've seen it done, and realized
pretty quickly that it's where the big boys hang out, so I can only
offer to help with things I know.
To that end: someone please answer these questions -
1. What information must a coordinator send to the ampr.org DNS to
create/modify a listing?
2. Is there a standard entry format for the information a coordinator
sends in, or is it parsed by hand?
3. How much of the unwanted info in the current DNS file(s) can be
removed without consequence?
4. Is it possible for me to reformat the existing files, knowing
little about DNS?
hth.
73,
Bill KW4OC
18 Jan
18 Jan
1:17 a.m.
New subject: Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
I ask again
What is so important to clean the DNS from all the amount of unused hosts ? is it a
matter of load on the DNS that result in a slow response ?
or any other effect im not aware of ?
The only thing i can think of is making zone transfer of big file twice a day but in
this days transferring even 10 MegaByte file each day consider nothing
Maybe Brian can answer this ?
However to answer your question
Authorized users can change the DNS data there is a format needed to be sent in the
email that the robot know to inter-prate something
such as : <host name > <add or delete> <what kind of record should it
be (MX A etc)> <Ip adress>
you send each host as a single line and you can more then one line
Since the robot have a format checking mechanism you dont have to be a DNS expert in
order to add or delete hosts
specially if you want only to add host name and not complex things such as MX records
or CNAME
Regards
Ronen - 4z4zq
http://www.ronen.org
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1. What information must a coordinator send to the ampr.org DNS to
create/modify a listing?
2. Is there a standard entry format for the information a coordinator
sends in, or is it parsed by hand?
4. Is it possible for me to reformat the existing files, knowing
little about DNS?
hth.
73,
Bill KW4OC
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19 Jan
19 Jan
10:44 p.m.
New subject: Verifying the identities of IP coordinators
On Fri, 17 Jan 2016 23:59:19 -0500, Bill Horne <bill(a)horne.net> wrote:
To that end: someone please answer these questions -
1. What information must a coordinator send to the ampr.org DNS to
create/modify a listing?
A coordinator has to be authorized to send email to the AMPR address
robot. You send add/del and other commands to the robot and it
modifies the DNS records accordingly and it replies in an email about
the action it took, if any. Brian Kantor is in charge of manually
managing the list of authorized coordinators.
2. Is there a standard entry format for the information
a coordinator
sends in, or is it parsed by hand?
The format is specified and the process is automated. You can query
the robot and it will reply with a summary of the command formats.
3. How much of the unwanted info in the current DNS file(s) can be
removed without consequence?
I don't understand this question. Any alteration would have a
consequence. The only record removal that would have no consequences
would be the removal of a record that isn't in use by an active node.
4. Is it possible for me to reformat the existing files, knowing
little about DNS?
Since coordinators don't manipulate the DNS record directly, the robot
handles all the details. The coordinator only needs to know the type
of record he wants to add/del or modify and send the appropriate lines
of text. You can view the DNS records directly via the FTP site.
The robot reminder says:
Remember, you may retrieve a full list of all registered hosts,
updated daily
in hosts.net format: ftp://hamradio.ucsd.edu/pub/amprhosts
in domain.txt format: ftp://hamradio.ucsd.edu/pub/ampr.org
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