Subject: Re: [44net] Portal From: Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com Date: 02/26/2015 08:06 PM
To: AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu
I think if you were to open source the portal you would get more volunteers. I, and many other open source developers, tend to wait to jump in to a new project until we have an itch that needs scratching. When a bug affects me, I'll look to the source to see if I can squash it. If I can, the project maintainer can expect a patch from me. If the source isn't public, I'll send a bug report to the developer. I presume you would prefer patches to bug reports.
I agree with that. I have submitted several reports and explained my requirements to Tom SP2L but as I have no access to the code I cannot have a glance to see how quickly some of my immediate requirements can be built in, let alone do the work and submit it.
I still get "DNS requests" from users who apparently do not see the big red print on top of the DNS page, and I cannot edit the subnet structure in the system to match reality. I submitted it in text form to Chris long ago but it was not inserted.
We are currently building a HAMNET similar to what has been done in Germany and Austria, and we really need a working system some time. I fully understand that time is not always available, but some way has to be found to keep the day-to-day operations possible, maybe with a lower level access to the data when writing code for the userfriendly web frontend is the bottleneck.
Rob
I agree that some type of contributable portal code would be helpful. I'd certainly contribute. Perhaps we just throw up a repo on github for non-critical code (read: security related) with one or two folks at the help to review pull requests.
I think this would help 1) decrease TODO list workload for Chris/Tom 2) increase portal features 3) quick bug fixes 4) still allow control over the project and avoid arbitrary code pushes
Thoughts? I wouldn't mind help getting everything setup for this
-Andrew Kc2LTO
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Rob Janssen pe1chl@amsat.org wrote:
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Subject: Re: [44net] Portal From: Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com Date: 02/26/2015 08:06 PM
To: AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu
I think if you were to open source the portal you would get more volunteers. I, and many other open source developers, tend to wait to jump in to a new project until we have an itch that needs scratching. When a bug affects me, I'll look to the source to see if I can squash it. If I can, the project maintainer can expect a patch from me. If the source isn't public, I'll send a bug report to the developer. I presume you would prefer patches to bug reports.
I agree with that. I have submitted several reports and explained my requirements to Tom SP2L but as I have no access to the code I cannot have a glance to see how quickly some of my immediate requirements can be built in, let alone do the work and submit it.
I still get "DNS requests" from users who apparently do not see the big red print on top of the DNS page, and I cannot edit the subnet structure in the system to match reality. I submitted it in text form to Chris long ago but it was not inserted.
We are currently building a HAMNET similar to what has been done in Germany and Austria, and we really need a working system some time. I fully understand that time is not always available, but some way has to be found to keep the day-to-day operations possible, maybe with a lower level access to the data when writing code for the userfriendly web frontend is the bottleneck.
Rob
To clarify, too, this would be not only for the portal but the website as well ... in which everyone could contribute to web content / wiki to describe aspects of 44net and IP in Amateur Radio.
On 26 Feb 2015, at 21:24, Andrew Ragone (RIT Student) ajr9166@rit.edu wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I agree that some type of contributable portal code would be helpful. I'd certainly contribute.
As I have said on this list previously, anyone that wants access to the repo the code is stored on only has to ask and a login will be issued. I've issued quite a few logins so far but still Tom is the only other person to actually do something.
I'd prefer not to put the code on a public repo, but to reiterate, ANYONE that wants access only has to ask.
I've even setup Redmine, at the request of some would be developers, to assist in collaboration but still no one else has contributed.
What more can I do?
Thanks, Chris
On 27 Feb 2015, at 08:30, G1FEF chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:
As I have said on this list previously, anyone that wants access to the repo the code is stored on only has to ask and a login will be issued. I've issued quite a few logins so far but still Tom is the only other person to actually do something.
I'd prefer not to put the code on a public repo, but to reiterate, ANYONE that wants access only has to ask.
I've even setup Redmine, at the request of some would be developers, to assist in collaboration but still no one else has contributed.
Hi Chris, Can I get a login? Thanks. Bill Hill (M1BKF)
On 27 Feb 2015, at 09:21, William Hill rtufty@gmail.com wrote:
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Hi Chris, Can I get a login? Thanks. Bill
No problem, I will drop you an email tomorrow when I'm back home.
Thanks, Chris
On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:30 AM, G1FEF chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:
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On 26 Feb 2015, at 21:24, Andrew Ragone (RIT Student) ajr9166@rit.edu wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I agree that some type of contributable portal code would be helpful. I'd certainly contribute.
As I have said on this list previously, anyone that wants access to the repo the code is stored on only has to ask and a login will be issued. I've issued quite a few logins so far but still Tom is the only other person to actually do something.
I'd prefer not to put the code on a public repo, but to reiterate, ANYONE that wants access only has to ask.
Why the reluctance to put the code on a public repo that is easily accessible without having to ask?
73, -jav k4jh
I have offered to help Chris before early in his project to get the ball rolling. He asked me a few questions on whether or not I knew PHP and the like but never heard a response. I walked away from it feeling that he didn't need or want my help. I understand he is a busy person but I would agree with the rest that open sourcing the code to someplace like GitHub would be quite beneficial to everyone. It's not like people would be able to manipulate AMPRNet using the code as I'm sure there are access controls in place preventing that from occurring. But like others have said, we should embrace open source as if Chris were to get hit by a bus tomorrow - the knowledge would go with him.
Chris would still ostensibly have ultimate say on any code changes through GitHub and of course deploying the code would be up to him unless others have access to those servers to push the changes.
Technically we can make the entire process automated through build deployment automation and configuration management. However, that's a discussion that should take place with people who have the power to make change. I'm willing to help but only if it is wanted.
On 27 Feb 2015, at 20:58, Don Fanning don@00100100.net wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I have offered to help Chris before early in his project to get the ball rolling. He asked me a few questions on whether or not I knew PHP and the like but never heard a response. I walked away from it feeling that he didn't need or want my help.
Don, if I missed an email from you I apologise, I have issued several logins to the repo to those that have asked, I am certainly interested in any help anyone can offer. I do get a lot of emails and it is easy to miss the odd one when it gets buried in an inbox I haven’t checked for a dew days, so apologies again, if you are still interested in helping I am happy to issue you a login?
Regards, Chris
On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:
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Don, if I missed an email from you I apologise, I have issued several logins to the repo to those that have asked, I am certainly interested in any help anyone can offer. I do get a lot of emails and it is easy to miss the odd one when it gets buried in an inbox I haven’t checked for a dew days, so apologies again, if you are still interested in helping I am happy to issue you a login?
Regards, Chris
No worries, Chris. It's was about a year ago and you were probably busy with the move.
You mentioned in the email that the dns code was finished but was waiting on logistics? Is there anything we can assist with that?
Cheers, -Don
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