On 19/09/2017 6:57 PM, Steve L wrote:

Well if you receive this, I'd say its working.

Looks good, now I just have to rejig my filters. :D

One thing you may notice is that the new mailman.ampr.org list host is using 'greylisting' to filter out some spam; this means that the first time you post to the list after not having done so for some days, your posting will be delayed for some minutes.

Also, many of your receiving hosts are doing the same thing, so until they learn the new list sending address, list mail will be delayed reaching you too. See the Wikipedia article on 'greylisting' for a more complete explanation of what's going on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting

Our retry delay is set to 15 minutes, a common value. - Brian

Yes, 15 minutes is the out-of-the-box default value. I may do some tuning on it has we get more experience. - Brian

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 07:48:08AM -0500, Will Gwin wrote:

I've been using 60 seconds for years. The time is really about getting the remote to disconnect and re-connect, so the time is pretty minor. A large percentage of hosts seem to re-try the first time within about 5 minutes in my experience.

Will Gwin www.N5KH.org

On 9/19/17 4:33 AM, Brian Kantor wrote:

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Our retry delay is set to 15 minutes, a common value.

• Brian

I've turned it back on for you. - Brian

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:46:51PM -0300, Luzemário Dantas wrote:

After the migration I lost the "daily digest" setting. Where can I activate it again?

73 de PT2LDR

this time I did....good work

On 9/19/2017 2:09 PM, Leon Zetekoff wrote:

Hey brian...i never saw my post return on the new feed? Is seeing your own posts turned off?

Thanks

On 9/19/2017 2:08 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:

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I've turned it back on for you.     - Brian

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:46:51PM -0300, Luzemário Dantas wrote:

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After the migration I lost the "daily digest" setting. Where can I activate it again?

73 de PT2LDR

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On 9/19/2017 2:15 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:

I copied the entire setup and membership list including all options from 'hamradio' to 'mailman' so there should not have been any changes in anybody's subscription. I'm puzzled that Luzemário had a problem.

Anyone else that has a problem should let me know.

• Brian

Brian,

Right now, I'm feeling like it's working well and that I should just leave it alone and not jinx anything.

But, that's not my nature. ;-)

I switched to the "MIME digest" mode when the thread about threading came up, and I'm hopeful that this reply, which I _think_ will be threaded correctly, shows good behavior.

My only question is: "How do I reply to a post that I'm reading in the digest, without having to bring up the .eml attachment in my email client?"

In other words, is it possible to add or enable a "reply to" link on each post? I'm using Thunderbird, which shows the posts inline, but doesn't give a clickable link to reply to an individual post, so I have to open the "Attachments" tab at the bottom of the MIME digest, and count off the .eml files until I reach the attached email that I /think/ is the one, and double-click on that to reply to it. Is there a better way?

Thanks for your help!

Bill, W4EWH

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About half of the messages in this thread ended up in my spam folder (I use gmail as my mailbox with a custom domain).

From looking at the message headers, I noticed what all the messages flagged as spam seem to have in common: dkim signatures. The dkim signatures are all failing because the body of the message is being altered with the footer message that mailman appends. That was obviously also happening with the old list, but it's reputation likely prevented that specific issue from being considered as highly as it is with this new listserv.

I also noticed that neither listserv domain has spf records published. If a proper spf record can be published, and new messages start passing spf checks, perhaps the dkim failures won't weigh as heavily anymore???

I think the only way to prevent the dkim signatures from failing in the first place is to either replace the email address in the "From: " header, or to prevent modification of the message body by disabling the footer insertion.

okay I expect a delay...but hope it gets thru

T

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Cory (NQ1E) cory@nq1e.hm wrote:

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I think the only way to prevent the dkim signatures from failing in the first place is to either replace the email address in the "From: "

header,

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or to prevent modification of the message body by disabling the footer insertion.

Mailman has some options for this: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

Tom KD7LXL _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

I'm getting messages for this but it got moved to a different box...its not going to spam however.

So congrats..it made the transition.

T

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:

I have the DMARC option turned on, but it only works when the sender's address is in a domain where Mailman finds a DNS entry that advertises a DKIM record. And not always then.

Unfortunately, DKIM is a flawed concept and we have to work around the errors in it. If strictly implemented, it prohibits mailing lists with valid author ("From:") addresses.

I've also added a fairly broad SPF record for 'mailman' which may help.

Unfortunately, nobody knows (or rather, those who know don't say) how gmail's anti-spam works, so it's guesswork and trial-and-error on the part of the sending system's manager if you're doing anything out of the ordinary, like running a mailing list. - Brian

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 01:00:49PM -0700, Tom Hayward wrote:

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Mailman has some options for this: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

Tom KD7LXL

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""If everything goes right, on September 19th (Tuesday) morning (Pacific time), I will move this mailing list from hamradio.ucsd.edu to its new home on mailman.ampr.org, which is currently an alias for amprgw."

maybe I misunderstood what that meant

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:

"a different box"? Could you expand on what that means? - Brian

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:07:28PM -0700, Tom King wrote:

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I'm getting messages for this but it got moved to a different box...its

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going to spam however. T

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On 9/19/17 4:58 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:

I have the DMARC option turned on, but it only works when the sender's address is in a domain where Mailman finds a DNS entry that advertises a DKIM record. And not always then.

Unfortunately, DKIM is a flawed concept and we have to work around the errors in it. If strictly implemented, it prohibits mailing lists with valid author ("From:") addresses.

Yea, unless you want to do the yahoo way and rewrite the email From:. The advice I give people is to not use yahoo/hotmail and the arrl.net forwarders. gmail seams to be rather easy to deal with IMO, but some people will just tag it as spam rather than unsubscribe.

Couple of house keeping items:

Can you setup the https://mailman.ampr.org/ to redirect to the main list page, and list 44net as a public list.

Can you change the reply address to be the list? As it's a discussion list this makes it easier to reply and keeps people from cluttering up members boxes with needless direct replies.

Can we make the archives public to make them searchable?

Thank you,

On 9/19/17 6:03 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:

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Can you change the reply address to be the list? As it's a discussion list this makes it easier to reply and keeps people from cluttering up members boxes with needless direct replies.

This is one of those issues that will cause dissension, and much has been written about the issue on the Internet.  I'm happy with the way things are.  Unfortunately, there's a lot of brain dead email clients out there that don't handle mailing lists properly.  I use Thunderbird, which has a "Reply List" button when I'm reading messages from a list setup like this.  Quite neat, and I get the option of replying to the original sender or the list if I want or need to as well.  Works well, when the list is hosted by a decent list server such as Mailman (as this one is).

Yea, I do it right, but most others don't. I'm of the opinion that it should be the default and then let people who want to reply direct make it the option. Makes for some fun emails to the list too :)

Tony et al;

On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 18:12 -0400, Bryan Fields wrote:

I use Thunderbird, which has a "Reply List" button when I'm reading messages from a list setup like this. Quite neat, and I get the option of replying to the original sender or the list if I want or need to as well. Works well, when the list is hosted by a decent list server such as Mailman (as this one is).

I've used Evolution for decades and it too has the option for private, list, or both when hitting reply. I wish my AquaMail for my Note 3 had that same option.

On 20/09/2017 4:15 AM, Brian Kantor wrote:

I copied the entire setup and membership list including all options from 'hamradio' to 'mailman' so there should not have been any changes in anybody's subscription. I'm puzzled that Luzemário had a problem.

Anyone else that has a problem should let me know.

Only problem I've got is no one has started a new thread, so I'm not able to train my filters easily, Gmail keeps seeing the messages as being from the old list when setting up the filter (because it looks earlier in the thread), but of course, the filter doesn't catch posts to the new list.

Just change 'hamradio.ucsd.edu' to 'mailman.ampr.org':

http://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

- Brian

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:42:12AM -0500, Tom Cardinal wrote:

Brian, The Wiki doesn't seem to have the links to the new hosting for the list yet, what's the address for making changes to our subscriptions? I want to change my email address. When I go to the mailman site the only list I can see is 44-nnounce.

Tom Cardinal/N2XU/MSgt USAF (Ret)/BSCS/CASP, Security+ ce