31 Jan
2015
31 Jan
'15
7:51 a.m.
Hello All,
Please be advised that if you run FBB BBS with outside telnet access thru
BPQ32 and have the FBB gateway enabled, someone may connect to JNOS via the
gateway and the internal RS232 ports and execute the '@' command on the JNOS
prompt line. This gives access to Linux Directories etc.
I have not seen the '@' command mentioned in the JNOS2j documentation so not
sure where it gets compiled in so if you could maybe help me there please?
It does not seem to be in the DOS options and not the 'ED' definition as
both are undefined.
Also my compile of JNOS2j completes ok with no 'success' indications and
produces a file it seems but suffers from the dreaded crash a few minutes
after it runs - I suspect it is the open port problem but yet to check that
out.
Cheers
Rob
31 Jan
31 Jan
8:06 a.m.
You can set up a password for that.
In your autoexec.nos file at the following line.
mbox password <newpassword>
This sets a new remote sysop password. A remote sysop is a user
whose entry in the ftpusers file has the SYSOP_CMD bit set. When
a remote sysop enters the '@' command to the Jnos mailbox, and there
is a non-null mbox password established, five random numbers are
displayed. The remote sysop is expected to then transmit the letters
corresponding to these numbers, taken as zero-relative positions in
the password string. Several lines of five letters can be sent, only
one of which need be correct. The last line sent must be empty, ie,
just a CR. If the response is correct, the remote sysop is then given
the Jnos command-line prompt, and may issue most Jnos console commands.
Commands which would require creation of a new session are disallowed.
Use the "exit" command to exit from the Jnos command level.
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 7:51 AM, vk1kw <vk1kw(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
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_______________________________________________
Hello All,
Please be advised that if you run FBB BBS with outside telnet access thru
BPQ32 and have the FBB gateway enabled, someone may connect to JNOS via the
gateway and the internal RS232 ports and execute the '@' command on the
JNOS
prompt line. This gives access to Linux Directories etc.
I have not seen the '@' command mentioned in the JNOS2j documentation so
not
sure where it gets compiled in so if you could maybe help me there please?
It does not seem to be in the DOS options and not the 'ED' definition as
both are undefined.
Also my compile of JNOS2j completes ok with no 'success' indications and
produces a file it seems but suffers from the dreaded crash a few minutes
after it runs - I suspect it is the open port problem but yet to check that
out.
Cheers
Rob
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cheers,
Don
8:35 a.m.
Hello Don,
Many thanks for the info.
Unfortunately the BPQ32/FBB gateway user seems to present the sysop's FBB
gateway callsign to JNOS which happens to be the only ftpuser with the sysop
bit set.
Hence if you don't put an mbox password in autoexec.nos file, free access!
But yes, I have added the mbox password and the outside user does get the 5
digit password.
I do not use the JNOS mbox so that's why I have been caught out.
The real answer of course is never enable the FBB BBS gateway if it has
telnet access and other connections.
I hope this has helped others with a similar setup.
Regards
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From: 44net-bounces+vk1kw=netspace.net.au(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
[mailto:44net-bounces+vk1kw=netspace.net.au@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of
Don Moore
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2015 12:06 AM
To: AMPRNet working group
Subject: Re: [44net] JNOS2 vulnerable to outside hack
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You can set up a password for that.
In your autoexec.nos file at the following line.
mbox password <newpassword>
This sets a new remote sysop password. A remote sysop is a user
whose entry in the ftpusers file has the SYSOP_CMD bit set. When
a remote sysop enters the '@' command to the Jnos mailbox, and there
is a non-null mbox password established, five random numbers are
displayed. The remote sysop is expected to then transmit the letters
corresponding to these numbers, taken as zero-relative positions in
the password string. Several lines of five letters can be sent, only
one of which need be correct. The last line sent must be empty, ie,
just a CR. If the response is correct, the remote sysop is then given
the Jnos command-line prompt, and may issue most Jnos console commands.
Commands which would require creation of a new session are disallowed.
Use the "exit" command to exit from the Jnos command level.
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 7:51 AM, vk1kw <vk1kw(a)netspace.net.au> wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
_______________________________________________
Hello All,
Please be advised that if you run FBB BBS with outside telnet access
thru
BPQ32 and have the FBB gateway enabled, someone may connect to JNOS
via the gateway and the internal RS232 ports and execute the '@'
command on the JNOS prompt line. This gives access to Linux
Directories etc.
I have not seen the '@' command mentioned in the JNOS2j documentation
so not sure where it gets compiled in so if you could maybe help me
there please?
It does not seem to be in the DOS options and not the 'ED' definition
as both are undefined.
Also my compile of JNOS2j completes ok with no 'success' indications
and produces a file it seems but suffers from the dreaded crash a few
minutes after it runs - I suspect it is the open port problem but yet
to check that out.
Cheers
Rob
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Don
8:37 a.m.
Rob:
The "@" command is the "sysop" command.
In your autoexec.nos boot file add this command "mbox password
somerealpasswordhere"
This "mbox password ..." command then requires anyone issuing the sysop
command to enter a password to gain sysop access.
And also, the "@" sysop command is not just for anyone connecting via BPQ,
but rather anyone at a bbs prompt wanting remote sysop access.
This is documented in the JNOS manual. Here is a copy of that part of the
manual.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mbox password <newpassword>
This sets a new remote sysop password. A remote sysop is a user whose
entry in
the ftpusers file has the SYSOP_CMD bit set. When a remote sysop enters
the '@' command to the JNOS mailbox, and there is a non-null mbox password
established, five random numbers are displayed. The remote sysop is expected
to then transmit the letters corresponding to these numbers, taken as
zero-relative
positions in the password string. Several lines of five letters can be sent,
only one of which need be correct. The last line sent must be empty, i.e.,
just a CR. If the response is correct, the remote sysop is then given the
JNOS
command-line prompt, and may issue most JNOS console commands. Commands
which would
require creation of a new session are disallowed. Use the "exit" command to
exit
from the JNOS command level.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Per the notes, please make sure your users in the ftpusers file DO NOT HAVE
THE SYSOP_CMD bit set.
If you also set the password, then anyone trying to access can't get in
without it.
Bill
At 04:51 AM 1/31/2015, you wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
_______________________________________________
Hello All,
Please be advised that if you run FBB BBS with outside telnet access thru
BPQ32 and have the FBB gateway enabled, someone may connect to JNOS via the
gateway and the internal RS232 ports and execute the '@' command on the JNOS
prompt line. This gives access to Linux Directories etc.
I have not seen the '@' command mentioned in the JNOS2j documentation so not
sure where it gets compiled in so if you could maybe help me there please?
It does not seem to be in the DOS options and not the 'ED' definition as
both are undefined.
Also my compile of JNOS2j completes ok with no 'success' indications and
produces a file it seems but suffers from the dreaded crash a few minutes
after it runs - I suspect it is the open port problem but yet to check that
out.
Cheers
Rob
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11:32 a.m.
Bill et al;
On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 05:37 -0800, William Lewis wrote:
Per the notes, please make sure your users in the
ftpusers file DO NOT HAVE
THE SYSOP_CMD bit set.
If you also set the password, then anyone trying to access can't get in
without it.
What Rob was saying, however, is that many run both FBB and JNOS
together. If you were running FBB with the gateway feature on so that
say I could use it to get from your FBB to your JNOS, I would appear at
your JNOS as YOU not as ME. So, if I connected into your JNOS, I would
(via your callsign) have the sysop flag set, and if I had any possible
clue what your password may be I could try that and gain full access to
your box.
The "gateway" feature in FBB is something the sysop can flag on|off on
FBB. I believe the initial design of this feature was for the sysop to
manually test his/her forwarding script before etching the path into
stone.
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12:02 p.m.
Hi Brian
Currently a bug in linfbb
as using the gateway is not using the user callsign. It is using the FBB
NNS callsign in error. Working correctly when gatewaying via pactor.
The Gateway facility allows the user to connect out on to the local
netrom, Radio ports if the radio ports configured in the fbb port.sys.
Been used that way for years, Here.
Has recently been raised on the Linfbb list
73 de Paul G4apl
In message <1422721941.11017.12.camel(a)n1uro.ampr.org>rg>, Brian
<n1uro(a)n1uro.ampr.org> writes
What Rob was saying, however, is that many run both FBB
and JNOS
together. If you were running FBB with the gateway feature on so that
say I could use it to get from your FBB to your JNOS, I would appear at
your JNOS as YOU not as ME. So, if I connected into your JNOS, I would
(via your callsign) have the sysop flag set, and if I had any possible
clue what your password may be I could try that and gain full access to
your box.
The "gateway" feature in FBB is something the sysop can flag on|off on
FBB. I believe the initial design of this feature was for the sysop to
manually test his/her forwarding script before etching the path into
stone.
--
paul(a)skywaves.demon.co.uk
4:13 p.m.
I wonder if that fabulous little '@' could be mentioned at the top of the
JNOS2-MAN.doc file with the other special characters with a ref. to the MBOX
Password command please?
Regards
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