All this discssion indirectly brings up a good point. While It's importaint to teach and help others in our common pursuits and interests at what level do we need or should we begin this. Should there be an expected level of self education prior to entry and also ongoing? My point being in getting a larger subnet (/24 or larger) connected to AMPRnet as a whole and the internet Is is sufficient to simply say, "find someone who is connected to the internet with their own ASN and BGP peering and have them set it up all the while simply dropping you a routed connection" or need we start at teaching the intricacies of BGP at the layer 1 bit signaling level. The point being where should we start and what ought be assumed for working knowledge. Really, there are some places in this where a bit of knowlege and understanding of what one is doing ought be demonstrated prior to one being able to play unsupervised on a live network. Teaching and helping others is good, but prior to their working on more advanced concepts should people not have a good foundation that supports those concepts? Eric AF6EP On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Steve Wright <stevewrightnz(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.ampr.org/pubs.html > > > > http://www.ampr.org/faq.html > > > > I don't see what's missing. Build a Ham RF IP network. Hook if up > > to the 44net community if desired. A very select few would need to > > go the next step and get their own BGP ISP setup. If anything, that's > > mentioned too much on the website and should be de-emphasized. > > > > annoyingly, there is nothing on those pages remotely to do with getting a > network attached properly to the internet. > > If you thing there is nothing missing from that then you need a rethink. > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Steve Wright <stevewrightnz(a)gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > http://www.ampr.org/pubs.html > > > > > > http://www.ampr.org/faq.html > > > > > > I don't see what's missing. Build a Ham RF IP network. Hook if up > > > to the 44net community if desired. A very select few would need to > > > go the next step and get their own BGP ISP setup. If anything, that's > > > mentioned too much on the website and should be de-emphasized. > > > > > > > What's missing is, it's not in the wiki so people can find it. > > > > Edit, annotate, and add it to the wiki please. > > > > > > Thank you. > > Steve > > > > > > > -- > Meshnetworks - Rangitaiki Plains Rural Broadband Internet Providers > +64 21 040 5067 >