9 Sep
2017
9 Sep
'17
6:45 a.m.
I don't use the e-mail client to "reply". I have set the list to digest
mode, the daily digests
I move to a separate folder that effectively is a trashcan, and I read the topics via the
mailman
archive site where I cut and paste parts into a new mail message every time.
So no threads from me.
I don't like mailing lists. At ALL. Precisely because thread management is so
difficult,
uninteresting threads cannot be killed, and traffic comes in between normal mail.
I would propose setting up a small USENET server with one or a couple of groups and then
use a newsreader to read and reply to the threads.
But that is apparently considered old-fashioned as well by some, and newer methods
are considered unacceptable.
So, no change. Live with it. Make a processing rule in your mailclient that dumps the
44net
mail in a separate folder, so your Inbox is left clean.
Rob
9 Sep
9 Sep
7:59 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
On 9/9/17 6:45 AM, Rob Janssen wrote:
I don't use the e-mail client to
"reply". I have set the list to digest mode, the daily digests
I move to a separate folder that effectively is a trashcan, and I read the topics via the
mailman
archive site where I cut and paste parts into a new mail message every time.
So no threads from me.
Then you need to add a References: and In-Reply-To: header to your "replies".
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Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
11 Sep
11 Sep
5:59 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
On 9/09/2017 8:45 PM, Rob Janssen wrote:
So, no change. Live with it. Make a processing rule
in your
mailclient that dumps the 44net
mail in a separate folder, so your Inbox is left clean.
I do this with all of my
mailing lists. Works like a charm. :) As for
different methods of communication, I do already use Facebook - has its
pros and cons. The other alternative is a web forum - no thanks, I hate
those things, their interfaces are generally slow and clumsy for me. I
think leaving it as a mailing list is the best compromise. :)
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
15 Sep
15 Sep
4:35 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
So you're deliberately making things worse for others because they
didn't choose what you wanted. I don't know how it is in your place but
in mine it's called being a dick.
And BTW - I do have a separate email account just for mailing lists but
it's still unreadable when you have 15 threads instead of one.
If you think it clutters your inbox - do as you said - make a folder and
filter. If you want to mute a thread - there are plugins for that to
i.e. Thunderbird.
And argh, on other lists I'm subscribed to even non technical persons
are able to properly use the thread system - why is it so hard to do
this here where people should represent something more?
I'm not voting for changing the tool. I'm voting for not misusing the
things we already have.
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All the best
Paweł
Rob Janssen wrote:
I don't use the e-mail client to
"reply". I have set the list to digest
mode, the daily digests
I move to a separate folder that effectively is a trashcan, and I read
the topics via the mailman
archive site where I cut and paste parts into a new mail message every
time.
So no threads from me.
I don't like mailing lists. At ALL. Precisely because thread
management is so difficult,
uninteresting threads cannot be killed, and traffic comes in between
normal mail.
I would propose setting up a small USENET server with one or a couple of
groups and then
use a newsreader to read and reply to the threads.
But that is apparently considered old-fashioned as well by some, and
newer methods
are considered unacceptable.
So, no change. Live with it. Make a processing rule in your mailclient
that dumps the 44net
mail in a separate folder, so your Inbox is left clean.
Rob
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44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
10:59 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
On 9/15/2017 4:35 AM, pidpawel wrote:
And argh, on other lists I'm subscribed to even
non technical persons
are able to properly use the thread system - why is it so hard to do
this here where people should represent something more?
The problem is that many readers get the "Digest" version of this list,
which means that they don't have any easy way to respond to a post from
a digest, without breaking the threading info that needs to be included
in the reply's headers. I moderate such a list myself, and I have found
out that it's difficult for the moderator or list owner to add such info.
I recommend that those who read the "digest" version of the list
consider signing up with a Google Groups or similar ID, so that they can
reply to individual posts from the Google Groups web page. It's a far
from ideal, but a workable solution: whatever you think about being
monitored and tracked, nobody has ever called me up and tried to sell me
a new transceiver, antenna, or AX.25 software.
FWIW. YMMV.
Bill, W4EWH
11:29 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
On 9/15/17 10:59 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
The problem is that many readers get the
"Digest" version of this list,
which means that they don't have any easy way to respond to a post from
a digest, without breaking the threading info that needs to be included
in the reply's headers.
This is rather easy, and incumbent on the digest users.
1. In your list preferences, "Get MIME or Plain Text Digests?" needs to be set
to MIME.
2. In the digest now you will have a link to click on as a reply. The format
of this link will be:
mailto:44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu?Subject=SOME-SUBJECT&In-Reply-To=MESSAGE-ID
The &In-Reply-To= will set the message ID that you're responding to.
You can also do this from the archives
http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/44net/2017-September/008193.html
To reply to the thread, click on the "w6rz at comcast.net" link and it will
work just the same. You will need to copy and past as a quote the relevant
parts of the thread.
I moderate such a list myself, and I have found
out that it's difficult for the moderator or list owner to add such info.
If someone wishes to make their life easier, they damn well better not make
mine harder.
I've subscribed to the 44net list as a digest to verify this. One thing of
note is the MIME option is not enabled by default, and this should be.
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Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
11:44 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
Data point: of the 700 subscribers to the 44net list, 200 are receiving
the digest version, and as of a few hours ago, NONE of those have
selected the MIME version according to the Mailman list-members utility.
I'd have thought a few would be. There is no way to tell how many (if any)
may have tried MIME and have returned to the plain (non-MIME) digest version.
I believe some mail readers have the ability to unpack a non-MIME digest
but I couldn't name which ones they are off-hand.
- Brian
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:29:34AM -0400, Bryan Fields wrote:
I've subscribed to the 44net list as a digest to
verify this. One thing of
note is the MIME option is not enabled by default, and this should be.
11:52 a.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
On 9/15/17 11:44 AM, Brian Kantor wrote:
Data point: of the 700 subscribers to the 44net list,
200 are receiving
the digest version, and as of a few hours ago, NONE of those have
selected the MIME version according to the Mailman list-members utility.
Yea, it needs to be setup as a default; you select digest, you get MIME by
default. Change it back if you prefer plain text.
I'd have thought a few would be. There is no way
to tell how many (if any)
may have tried MIME and have returned to the plain (non-MIME) digest version.
My experience has shown it needs to be a default, and it "just works" for 99%
of the people. Few users are using Mutt/pine/etc. and those who are know how
to reply to a list properly.
I know thunderbird, eudora and kmail handle it fine.
I'm not sure how outlook handles it, but no one expects outlook lusers to
participate on a mailing list without issue.
I believe some mail readers have the ability to unpack
a non-MIME digest
but I couldn't name which ones they are off-hand.
The plain text version loses the meta-data, and is really not intended to be
anything other than a passive view of the list.
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Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
12:02 p.m.
New subject: E-mail clients
I think you have a valid point; I have changed the config so that people
choosing 'digest' will get the MIME version unless they select plain.
That's new subscribers only; it won't change the selection for people
already subscribed. They can do that themselves.
- Brian
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:52:54AM -0400, Bryan Fields wrote:
Yea, it needs to be setup as a default; you select
digest, you get MIME by
default. Change it back if you prefer plain text.
[...]
My experience has shown it needs to be a default, and it "just works" for 99%
of the people. Few users are using Mutt/pine/etc. and those who are know how
to reply to a list properly.
I know thunderbird, eudora and kmail handle it fine.
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