Ok, so I am a licensed HAM, an amateur that has no formal education or job
experience regarding networking. However, I believe I have a better handle
on IT than most hams in general, present company excluded. (Anything I can
do to help)
I am assisting the Penn State Amateur Radio Club, a student organization,
to get a couple of 1Gb network backbone connections lit up. One is
dedicated to a D-star gateway (K3CR). The other location is the ham shack,
for web browsing and other future uses, such as APRS Igate, IRLP or
Asterisk.
We will have a /29 assigned by the University. The two Microtik routers we
have purchased are capable of BGP. The university will not advertise 44net,
or allow me to announce BGP. sigh.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Another regional resource we have in the state of Pennsylvania is PennREN.
It is a partnership that built out fiber optics in a figure-eight footprint
all around the state. They can provide connectivity (I would like to get a
VPN server co-located in their facilities), but they also have dark fiber
available.
My long-term vision is to have a 501c(3) organized by hams light up a
couple of those strands to create a regional 44net. Local hams/clubs would
each have to provide their own 'last mile'
I believe there is a group in Pittsburgh already doing something similar.
I want to learn enough to understand the conversation. Thanks for the video!
Jim Alles, KB3TBX
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Has the university given reason as to why they will not advertize 44net or
allow you to announce your subnet via BGP. This could be as simple as a
basic misunderstanding as to their authority to do so or it could be any
number of other factors such as not wanting to maintain such a connection
or any headaces they percieve it could generate. Sometimes dialoguing as
to the reasons why matters and can make a difference. Think for a minute
about the advantage their doing the announcement (or allowing you to)
brings to the school.
Basicly to do this yourself you'll need a 44/24 subnet, your own asn, and
connectivity to other providers or hopefully a peering exchange. Getting
setup with PENNRen might be a good option, especially if they will announce
your subnet for you, and even better if they have fiber into your school.
Eric
AF6EP
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Jim Alles <kb3tbx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
> Ok, so I am a licensed HAM, an amateur that has no formal education or job
> experience regarding networking. However, I believe I have a better handle
> on IT than most hams in general, present company excluded. (Anything I can
> do to help)
>
> I am assisting the Penn State Amateur Radio Club, a student organization,
> to get a couple of 1Gb network backbone connections lit up. One is
> dedicated to a D-star gateway (K3CR). The other location is the ham shack,
> for web browsing and other future uses, such as APRS Igate, IRLP or
> Asterisk.
>
> We will have a /29 assigned by the University. The two Microtik routers we
> have purchased are capable of BGP. The university will not advertise 44net,
> or allow me to announce BGP. sigh.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Another regional resource we have in the state of Pennsylvania is PennREN.
> It is a partnership that built out fiber optics in a figure-eight footprint
> all around the state. They can provide connectivity (I would like to get a
> VPN server co-located in their facilities), but they also have dark fiber
> available.
>
> My long-term vision is to have a 501c(3) organized by hams light up a
> couple of those strands to create a regional 44net. Local hams/clubs would
> each have to provide their own 'last mile'
>
> I believe there is a group in Pittsburgh already doing something similar.
>
> I want to learn enough to understand the conversation. Thanks for the
> video!
>
> Jim Alles, KB3TBX
>
I think the University can advertise through their ASN -- but you do need a
delegation from ARDC and having a conversation with your head of network
operations wouldn't hurt. Since its amateur radio you could put your
D-STAR and APRS gateways on it.
------------------------------
John D. Hays
K7VE
PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
<http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
<http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Eric Fort <eric.fort(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
> Has the university given reason as to why they will not advertize 44net or
> allow you to announce your subnet via BGP. This could be as simple as a
> basic misunderstanding as to their authority to do so or it could be any
> number of other factors such as not wanting to maintain such a connection
> or any headaces they percieve it could generate. Sometimes dialoguing as
> to the reasons why matters and can make a difference. Think for a minute
> about the advantage their doing the announcement (or allowing you to)
> brings to the school.
>
> Basicly to do this yourself you'll need a 44/24 subnet, your own asn, and
> connectivity to other providers or hopefully a peering exchange. Getting
> setup with PENNRen might be a good option, especially if they will announce
> your subnet for you, and even better if they have fiber into your school.
>
> Eric
> AF6EP
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Jim Alles <kb3tbx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ok, so I am a licensed HAM, an amateur that has no formal education or
> job
> > experience regarding networking. However, I believe I have a better
> handle
> > on IT than most hams in general, present company excluded. (Anything I
> can
> > do to help)
> >
> > I am assisting the Penn State Amateur Radio Club, a student organization,
> > to get a couple of 1Gb network backbone connections lit up. One is
> > dedicated to a D-star gateway (K3CR). The other location is the ham
> shack,
> > for web browsing and other future uses, such as APRS Igate, IRLP or
> > Asterisk.
> >
> > We will have a /29 assigned by the University. The two Microtik routers
> we
> > have purchased are capable of BGP. The university will not advertise
> 44net,
> > or allow me to announce BGP. sigh.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions?
> >
> > Another regional resource we have in the state of Pennsylvania is
> PennREN.
> > It is a partnership that built out fiber optics in a figure-eight
> footprint
> > all around the state. They can provide connectivity (I would like to get
> a
> > VPN server co-located in their facilities), but they also have dark fiber
> > available.
> >
> > My long-term vision is to have a 501c(3) organized by hams light up a
> > couple of those strands to create a regional 44net. Local hams/clubs
> would
> > each have to provide their own 'last mile'
> >
> > I believe there is a group in Pittsburgh already doing something similar.
> >
> > I want to learn enough to understand the conversation. Thanks for the
> > video!
> >
> > Jim Alles, KB3TBX
> >
Keep in mind that most University network engineering teams are
understaffed, so they tend to shy away from supporting "one-off"
configurations that deviate from their campus standard configuration.
There is probably no easy way to deliver 44-net traffic from the
campus' border routers to your amateur radio station's location
without creating a custom path (VLAN or MPLS VPN) through the
University's network.
Your best bet is to see if there is a network engineer in the network
engineering group that is also a Ham :-).
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM, K7VE - John <k7ve(a)k7ve.org> wrote:
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
> I think the University can advertise through their ASN -- but you do need a
> delegation from ARDC and having a conversation with your head of network
> operations wouldn't hurt. Since its amateur radio you could put your
> D-STAR and APRS gateways on it.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> John D. Hays
> K7VE
> PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
> <http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
> <http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Eric Fort <eric.fort(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Has the university given reason as to why they will not advertize 44net or
>> allow you to announce your subnet via BGP. This could be as simple as a
>> basic misunderstanding as to their authority to do so or it could be any
>> number of other factors such as not wanting to maintain such a connection
>> or any headaces they percieve it could generate. Sometimes dialoguing as
>> to the reasons why matters and can make a difference. Think for a minute
>> about the advantage their doing the announcement (or allowing you to)
>> brings to the school.
>>
>> Basicly to do this yourself you'll need a 44/24 subnet, your own asn, and
>> connectivity to other providers or hopefully a peering exchange. Getting
>> setup with PENNRen might be a good option, especially if they will announce
>> your subnet for you, and even better if they have fiber into your school.
>>
>> Eric
>> AF6EP
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Jim Alles <kb3tbx(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ok, so I am a licensed HAM, an amateur that has no formal education or
>> job
>> > experience regarding networking. However, I believe I have a better
>> handle
>> > on IT than most hams in general, present company excluded. (Anything I
>> can
>> > do to help)
>> >
>> > I am assisting the Penn State Amateur Radio Club, a student organization,
>> > to get a couple of 1Gb network backbone connections lit up. One is
>> > dedicated to a D-star gateway (K3CR). The other location is the ham
>> shack,
>> > for web browsing and other future uses, such as APRS Igate, IRLP or
>> > Asterisk.
>> >
>> > We will have a /29 assigned by the University. The two Microtik routers
>> we
>> > have purchased are capable of BGP. The university will not advertise
>> 44net,
>> > or allow me to announce BGP. sigh.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any suggestions?
>> >
>> > Another regional resource we have in the state of Pennsylvania is
>> PennREN.
>> > It is a partnership that built out fiber optics in a figure-eight
>> footprint
>> > all around the state. They can provide connectivity (I would like to get
>> a
>> > VPN server co-located in their facilities), but they also have dark fiber
>> > available.
>> >
>> > My long-term vision is to have a 501c(3) organized by hams light up a
>> > couple of those strands to create a regional 44net. Local hams/clubs
>> would
>> > each have to provide their own 'last mile'
>> >
>> > I believe there is a group in Pittsburgh already doing something similar.
>> >
>> > I want to learn enough to understand the conversation. Thanks for the
>> > video!
>> >
>> > Jim Alles, KB3TBX
>> >