On 4/11/14, 12:26 PM, lleachii@aol.com wrote:
TOS section 7c requires him to provide an AMPRNet connection for AMPR devices local to him; but not necessarily via rip44. Since its not valid at this time to tunnel to a 44subnet via a 44 address, I don't see how he's in compliance (save via RF, which is their local AMPRNet anyway).
Where would hamradio be with out armchair lawyers? I love this hobby.
If he's using 44net space and announcing it to the internet via BGP he is providing access to the users behind his BGP router that have AMPRnet addresses. Sure they may not have access to the rest of AMPRnet via the IPIP routes, but that's optional. I'd even venture to guess most hams on his system won't care/know that it's missing the IPIP tunnels.
People using AMPRnet space in BGP are most likely concerned with providing access to the internet via ham radio, not accessing slow 9600 baud links from the internet.
Bart also mentioned:
It allows our microwave network to remain connected to the rest of AMPRnet as long as we have at least 1 ISP that isn't dead.
**The problem would also solved if he announces 209.189.196.68/32 on both ISP connections.**
A /32 is going to be route filtered, and it's not his IP space, it's a /30 or /31 from his upstream BGP peer. So no, this is not possible.
The entire *IDEA* of BGP is to allow you to control your own redundancy and peering to the routing table.
People using AMPRnet space in BGP are most likely concerned with providing access to the internet via ham radio, not accessing slow 9600 baud links from the internet.
We have different opinions - that's a good thing... Accessing the Internet by radio is an WiFi Access Point at McDonalds.
Running local services on Ham Radios that can be, but not necessarily are, accessed from the Internet by anything from 1200 baud to 100+ MB Mikrotik backbone routers is special...
Bill, WA7NWP
These are the most wise words I've read for a long time in these lists. I couldn't agree more Bill.
73 de Demetre SV1UY On 11 Apr 2014 19:02, "Bill Vodall" wa7nwp@gmail.com wrote:
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People using AMPRnet space in BGP are most likely concerned with
providing
access to the internet via ham radio, not accessing slow 9600 baud links
from
the internet.
We have different opinions - that's a good thing... Accessing the Internet by radio is an WiFi Access Point at McDonalds.
Running local services on Ham Radios that can be, but not necessarily are, accessed from the Internet by anything from 1200 baud to 100+ MB Mikrotik backbone routers is special...
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