Hi all,
We are migrating our TKNet network to AMPRNet addressing. For machines directly connected to Internet (ie : XLX, DMR), we are using 44.190.11.0/24 range. Those addresses are geo-located in Chicago. This has funny consequences. F/ex, when doing speed tests with online services such as nperf.com, the automatically-selected "nearest" server is very far from here :-)
I have absolutely no idea about how geolocation works. Just for curiosity, where is this information taken from ? The Whois database ? But Brian's address is in San Diego, not in Chicago...
Is there an easy way to change geo-location information for a specific AMPR subnet ?
Thank you in advance. 73 de TK1BI
On 26. Sep 2019, at 12:32, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Just for curiosity, where is this information taken from ? The Whois database ? But Brian's address is in San Diego, not in Chicago...
Is there an easy way to change geo-location information for a specific AMPR subnet ?
There is no one true source. Thats one of the reasons the information is not terribly accurate.
One of the big providers of geolocation data however is MaxMind - probably partially because you can get much of the info for free. You can lookup IPs on their website and submit corrections (though I think there is some verification required so I don’t know if they accept all updates).
Other people have their own databases though so even if MaxMind update theirs it’s no guarantee a particular service will notice.
HTH
Andrew DL1UGH
Le 26/09/2019 à 17:06, Andrew Stevenson a écrit :
One of the big providers of geolocation data however is MaxMind - probably partially because you can get much of the info for free. You can lookup IPs on their website and submit corrections (though I think there is some verification required so I don’t know if they accept all updates).
Hi Andy,
Thank you for the info. I submitted a correction request to Maxmind, giving this link as justification : https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=3302 Now, let's see what happens...
As you said, there seems to be several different databases. This one, for example, geo-locates our addresses more accurately in Paris (which is the place where our BGP announcement is made) https://www.ultratools.com/tools/geoIp
73 de TK1BI
Le 26/09/2019 à 18:02, Toussaint OTTAVI a écrit :
This one, for example, geo-locates our addresses more accurately in Paris (which is the place where our BGP announcement is made)
... and this one geo-locates us in Buskerud, Norway : https://ipgeolocation.io/
With TCP/IP over meteor scatter, this may be doable, HI :-)
73 de TK1BI
Le 26/09/2019 à 18:02, Toussaint OTTAVI a écrit :
This one, for example, geo-locates our addresses more accurately in Paris (which is the place where our BGP announcement is made)
This one is a little bit more interesting and complete. It returns data from 3 different GeoIP databases. One locates us in France, another one in the US, and the third in Norway. https://www.iplocation.net/ None of them seem to provide a correction request form, anyway...
73 de TK1BI
We are in the same boat as our isp will not do bgp over vdsl although its stable except when the fibre caboney gets smashed by under age drivers lol
tried the updates dodnt work. As i use our bgp in cairns, melbourne and sydney we are at the luck of the dice to a correct value
Samantha
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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 6:56 AM +1000, "Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net" 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Le 26/09/2019 à 17:06, Andrew Stevenson a écrit :
One of the big providers of geolocation data however is MaxMind - probably partially because you can get much of the info for free. You can lookup IPs on their website and submit corrections (though I think there is some verification required so I don’t know if they accept all updates).
Hi Andy,
Thank you for the info. I submitted a correction request to Maxmind, giving this link as justification : https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=region&id=3302 Now, let's see what happens...
As you said, there seems to be several different databases. This one, for example, geo-locates our addresses more accurately in Paris (which is the place where our BGP announcement is made) https://www.ultratools.com/tools/geoIp
73 de TK1BI
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2019, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net wrote:
We are migrating our TKNet network to AMPRNet addressing. For machines directly connected to Internet (ie : XLX, DMR), we are using 44.190.11.0/24 range. Those addresses are geo-located in Chicago.
If you have delegated reverse DNS, one could publish DNS LOC records:
1.11.190.44.in-addr.arpa. IN LOC 42 N 42 W
see, for optional precision/elevation parameters:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOC_record https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1876
Whether or not the forward/reverse records are consumed by the various third-party Geo-IP sites remains to be seen, but under the guise of amateur radio, it might make sense to *experiment*, try, and report back.
...Perhaps even with a proposal that all networks/IP addresses under 44.0/8.415 MAY or SHOULD provide LOC records. Thus opening things up to a bit of data analysis---perhaps something CAIDA would be interested in?
-Paul
Le 26/09/2019 à 18:37, Paul Sladen a écrit :
If you have delegated reverse DNS, one could publish DNS LOC records:
1.11.190.44.in-addr.arpa. IN LOC 42 N 42 W
Thank you for the info.
I'm planning to deploy internal DNS servers, for direct and reverse lookups. Then, I'll be able to add LOC records. But as far as public DNS servers have some security concerns, and I have no experience about that, DNS server has been delayed to later ;-)
73 de TK1BI
In my experience, some of them use [maxmind](https://www.maxmind.com/en/home), as the widely used geoip was built upon a free version from them. You can correct them at their [site](https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/).
As for the sites behind Cloudflare, they can get two letter location code from the CloudFlare. Other CDNs may have their own version.
As for the Google overlord, they have their own GeoIP db, unfortunately it's next to impossible to change GeoIP for them. Yes, I know they have a webform where you can submit correction data to them, but for me it never worked. To update your GeoIP for Google you will need to register at their [Peering Portal](https://peering.google.com), wait for approval, and wait another weeks for your update to take effect.
I think the easiest and quickest way is to announce the prefix by yourself. It looks most GeoIP databases are built from ASN whois and/or country lists on RIRs.
- Quan
On 9/26/19 6:32 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net wrote:
Hi all,
We are migrating our TKNet network to AMPRNet addressing. For machines directly connected to Internet (ie : XLX, DMR), we are using 44.190.11.0/24 range. Those addresses are geo-located in Chicago. This has funny consequences. F/ex, when doing speed tests with online services such as nperf.com, the automatically-selected "nearest" server is very far from here :-)
I have absolutely no idea about how geolocation works. Just for curiosity, where is this information taken from ? The Whois database ? But Brian's address is in San Diego, not in Chicago...
Is there an easy way to change geo-location information for a specific AMPR subnet ?
Thank you in advance. 73 de TK1BI _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Le 27/09/2019 à 08:47, Quan Zhou a écrit :
I think the easiest and quickest way is to announce the prefix by yourself. It looks most GeoIP databases are built from ASN whois and/or country lists on RIRs.
Currently, I'm announcing 44.190.11.0/24 by myself via a Vultr VPS located in Paris. It's interesting to see I have several kinds of geolocation results : - In San Diego, California (not too bad, this is the WHOIS address of Brian) - In Chicago (which seems to be the headquarters of Choopa, the company who owns my VPS provider Vultr) - In Paris (the most clever one, which probably recognised that my BGP announcements are made from a data center in Paris) - In Norway (this one just shows how inaccurate and unreliable GeoIP can be, HI )
73 de TK1BI
On Sep 27, 2019, at 04:27, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Currently, I'm announcing 44.190.11.0/24 by myself via a Vultr VPS located in Paris. It's interesting to see I have several kinds of geolocation results :
- In San Diego, California (not too bad, this is the WHOIS address of Brian)
- In Chicago (which seems to be the headquarters of Choopa, the company who owns my VPS provider Vultr)
Actually, Vultr.com (Choopa) offices are in Matawan, NJ, near New York City. But it doesn’t really matter. They seem to do an outstanding job regardless of the data center chosen.
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