Rob; On Mon, 2019-07-22 at 09:42 +0200, Rob Janssen via 44Net wrote: No it is not possible with my ISP. To run any local services is a violation of the ToS agreement. The ports and services they close they will not open. I've tried. They also incorporate a watchdog on all sockets that destroys them after so many minutes of "birth". This kills client services such as VPN, SSH, etc. Web services often aren't affected since most web elements are downloaded within 300 seconds +/-. IMHO the dependency is a moot issue. If I used your VPN I'd be dependent on you... but you're suggesting that you can still reach me if my ISP's edge router dies and this is not true. Also if I were on your VPN, I would have to travel all the way to the netherlands and back half way across the US to reach say Indiana. So very inefficient. While I understand this would be the same logic that would make you NOT want to use the IPIP at UCSD, the same would be true for me using another VPN elsewhere. I know this to be true because I tried it prior to going on IPIP. Not only are there the visible hops but the invisible core router hops of dependency that aren't accounted for that could cause failures not to mention the baseline of VPN routing is IPIP. It's quite safe to say what may work for one may not be the best for another which is why we need to keep multiple methods available. -- If a rabbit is raised indoors, would it be an ingrown hare? ----- 73 de Brian N1URO - President of EastNet IPv6 Certified n1uro-dawt-ampr-dawt-org uronode-dawt-n1uro-dawt-com