19 Jul
2019
19 Jul
'19
12:19 a.m.
Hello all,
I've not been active here, but some of you may remember me as the guy
who first got TCP/IP going on amateur packet radio way back in 1986. At
one time, my name was registered as the owner of the block. This makes
me one of a VERY small group of people with any arguable personal
property interest in network 44. And yes, 25% of this space, which is
VERY unlikely to ever be used by hams, has been sold to Amazon.
Rather than try to personally profit from this, we all readily agreed to
place the *entire* proceeds of this sale into a 501(c)(3) charity
chartered to support amateur digital radio and related developments. No
one is buying a yacht or a mansion. As a tax-exempt charity, our tax
returns and related documents will be publicly available so you can see
what is being done. Like the rest of the amateur community, all of you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
73, Phil
19 Jul
19 Jul
12:25 a.m.
On 19/07/2019 12:19 pm, Phil Karn wrote:
Like the rest of the amateur community, all of you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
I don't know much about US-registered charities and
tax law, but will
this include amateurs and clubs located outside of the US?
73
--
https://vk6hgr.net.au/
12:43 a.m.
On 7/18/19 21:25, Gavin Rogers wrote:
On 19/07/2019 12:19 pm, Phil Karn wrote:
Sure. We'd like to cast the net as widely as possible for worthy grant
recipients. Doesn't matter where they are in the world, as long as the
purpose is consistent with our charter, which is to benefit amateur
digital radio and related development. That's a worldwide activity.
I suppose US legal restrictions on dealing with certain "pariah"
countries might come into play (e.g., North Korea) but that's a very
short list and there isn't much ham radio in them anyway.
We're already thinking about things like:
Educational grants to students who are hams;
Existing amateur radio 501(c)(3) organizations;
Development of *freely available* technology: hardware, software,
protocols, etc
Field trials, demonstrations, pilot projects, educational outreach, etc;
This list is NOT exhaustive by any means, and in fact we'll be looking
for good ideas from anyone who has them. We want to be as transparent
about this as possible.
Again, though we might have been able to establish a *personal* property
claim over network 44, we all quickly decided to not open that can of
worms and instead sign everything over to the ARDC. Face it, given who
we are we'd probably just spend the money on ham radio development
ourselves. This is a much better way to do it.
73, Phil
Like the rest of the amateur community, all of
you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
I don't know much about US-registered charities and
tax law, but will
this include amateurs and clubs located outside of the US? 
12:46 a.m.
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On 7/19/19 12:43 AM, Phil Karn wrote:
Again, though we might have been able to establish a
*personal* property
claim over network 44, we all quickly decided to not open that can of
worms and instead sign everything over to the ARDC.
Bullshit. You want to do something for ham radio? Resign and go back to your
hole.
- --
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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3:31 a.m.
Really at the end of the day its part of the 44net allocation that is not allocated to any
country.
yes I was pissed at first but after reading the original document it makes sense to me.
it protects thecallocations msde to countries etc, just means as co ordinators we need to
apply best practice then allocate stupidly to people.
at least there are funds to pay costs well into the future. congrats to those who saw the
light and did something constructive.
Regards
Sam
Sent from MailDroid
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Karn <karn(a)ka9q.net>
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Sent: Fri, 19 Jul. 2019 14:43
Subject: Re: [44net] 44.192.0.0/10 sale
On 7/18/19 21:25, Gavin Rogers wrote:
On 19/07/2019 12:19 pm, Phil Karn wrote:
Sure. We'd like to cast the net as widely as possible for worthy grant
recipients. Doesn't matter where they are in the world, as long as the
purpose is consistent with our charter, which is to benefit amateur
digital radio and related development. That's a worldwide activity.
I suppose US legal restrictions on dealing with certain "pariah"
countries might come into play (e.g., North Korea) but that's a very
short list and there isn't much ham radio in them anyway.
We're already thinking about things like:
Educational grants to students who are hams;
Existing amateur radio 501(c)(3) organizations;
Development of *freely available* technology: hardware, software,
protocols, etc
Field trials, demonstrations, pilot projects, educational outreach, etc;
This list is NOT exhaustive by any means, and in fact we'll be looking
for good ideas from anyone who has them. We want to be as transparent
about this as possible.
Again, though we might have been able to establish a *personal* property
claim over network 44, we all quickly decided to not open that can of
worms and instead sign everything over to the ARDC. Face it, given who
we are we'd probably just spend the money on ham radio development
ourselves. This is a much better way to do it.
73, Phil
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Like the rest of the amateur community, all of
you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
I don't know much about US-registered charities and
tax law, but will
this include amateurs and clubs located outside of the US? 
10:57 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+jim=photojim.ca@mailman.ampr.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Karn
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 10:43 PM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] 44.192.0.0/10 sale
On 7/18/19 21:25, Gavin Rogers wrote:
Existing amateur radio 501(c)(3) organizations;
My only concern is that only American non-profit organizations qualify under
501(c)(3). Non-profit organizations for amateur radio in other countries
will be registered with respect to the laws of their own countries.
73
Jim VE5EV
11:44 a.m.
Beneficiaries of US Non-Profit charities can be international.
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 7:59 AM Jim MacKenzie <jim(a)photojim.ca> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+jim=photojim.ca@mailman.ampr.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Karn
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 10:43 PM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] 44.192.0.0/10 sale
On 7/18/19 21:25, Gavin Rogers wrote:
--
------------------------------
John D. Hays - K7VE
Kingston, WA
<http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
<http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>
Existing amateur radio 501(c)(3) organizations;
My only concern is that only American non-profit organizations qualify
under
501(c)(3). Non-profit organizations for amateur radio in other countries
will be registered with respect to the laws of their own countries.
73
Jim VE5EV
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12:55 p.m.
On 7/19/19 07:57, Jim MacKenzie wrote:
My only concern is that only American non-profit
organizations qualify
under
501(c)(3). Non-profit organizations for amateur radio in other countries
will be registered with respect to the laws of their own countries.
We hope to broaden this as soon as possible, and to only temporarily
limit grants to US 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporations. Eventually we hope
to make grants to *any* individual or organization in furtherance of the
foundation's charter, i.e, to advance amateur digital radio and related
technologies -- anywhere in the world.
The IRS rules on nonprofits are there to ensure transparency and avoid
self-dealing. They're complex and we will have to navigate them very
carefully with advice from lawyers, accountants and auditors who
specialize in nonprofits.
This will not be the Trump Foundation.
73 Phil
21 Jul
21 Jul
7:41 a.m.
Hello all
I didnt read my mail for some days and when I started to read i thought i was dreaming
...
Now I will respond it probably will not be polite but forgive me it is with good
intentions and come direct from my heart without any filter
So i Understand someone sold part of our Address space
before I start i say that I Know Phil Karn (not personally) I was using his KA9Q NOS
(under DOS ) those days and made few gateways for Internet to Packet in My Country and
provided the local Ham Radio Community internet connectivity in times that only research
and development organization was allowed to get internet feed in our country
In any case I know that we (the ham radio) got a FREE class A network for years and we
can be happy that we didnt have to pay for it and I say many thanks for Brian for
maintaining for us a Worldwide Router for years free of charge but it was our address
space why to release it ?
I have some question and hope that the seller (i really dont know who it is ) will be
brave enough to answer them
1) why the whole thing done secretly without any announcement or at least letting the Ham
radio community to know it IN ADVANCE at least for the intention ?
2)what will happen now if we will need more address space ? where we will get it from
?
3) is there any mechanism that will prevent selling additional address space in future ?
maybe most of you are not aware but I as a member of the iarc.org repeater and Data
comm committee face a proposal of France to take the 2 Meter Band for Air band and
this might effect the whole world now there is a big fight against this silly proposal
I say (and not only me) we are not releasing frequency and also not releasing address
space address space is same as frequency !!!!
Im very sad on what happened someone here called it "theft" i tend to agree
with him ... just because that it was done quick and without any notice or t least
letting us to know about what is going to happen
and least but not last how much money the seller got for this address space and what
will be done with this money for the benefit of the ham radio community ? )maybe buying a
ip V6 address space for future time ?
I hope that there will be someone brave to face this questions and give answers not only
to me to all the AMPRNET community ...
I apology again the writing came from my heart the amprnet is important to me as looking
for the worldwide community
Regards
Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
http://www.ronen.org
Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSite<http://www.ronen.org/>
ronen.org (Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSite) is hosted by domainavenue.com
www.ronen.org
________________________________
From: 44Net <44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org> on behalf of Phil
Karn <karn(a)ka9q.net>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 9:55 AM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] 44.192.0.0/10 sale
On 7/19/19 07:57, Jim MacKenzie wrote:
My only concern is that only American non-profit
organizations qualify
under
501(c)(3). Non-profit organizations for amateur radio in other countries
will be registered with respect to the laws of their own countries.
We hope to broaden this as soon as possible, and to only temporarily
limit grants to US 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporations. Eventually we hope
to make grants to *any* individual or organization in furtherance of the
foundation's charter, i.e, to advance amateur digital radio and related
technologies -- anywhere in the world.
The IRS rules on nonprofits are there to ensure transparency and avoid
self-dealing. They're complex and we will have to navigate them very
carefully with advice from lawyers, accountants and auditors who
specialize in nonprofits.
This will not be the Trump Foundation.
73 Phil
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10:06 a.m.
Hello Ronen,
I think many of your questions would be answered if you read the
article I wrote on the subject at <https://www.ampr.org/amprnet>.
But one point that I want to make even more strongly is that there
is NO plan to sell any more of the AMPRNet address space now or at
any time in the future.
Please note that we discussed this matter for many many months
before moving ahead. EVERYONE who has ever had control over this
address space was unanimously in favor of selling the unused (and
likely never to be used) space to forward the goals of Amateur
Radio, and that is what we have done. We think it is for the best.
And none of us gets any reward for any of this except for the feeling
of having done the right and proper thing. We each of us have
received a number of thanks and congratulations, along with a lot
of vitriol, hate, and threats from small-minded hotheads.
We all apologize for the secrecy, but it was forced upon us in order
to participate in the IP address global marketplace. That is not
an open arena, and likely never will be. And that is not our doing.
Large corporations and governments, those who are the only possible
buyers of the required magnitude, do not conduct their business
details in public. By keeping it under wraps during the negotiations,
we and the negotiators we employed were able to obtain the best
sale price available.
After months of negotiation, this all went surprisingly quickly
from proposals to accomplished fact, in a matter of just a few days.
With more than 50 million dollars that now must be spent on promoting
amateur radio by supporting those that make ham radio what it is
and what it can be, we believe that the address space now converted
to funds will do more good for more hams and the future of amateur
radio than any unused idle addresses held for an unlikely future
use could possibly do.
In the near future, we expect to invite interested groups (and
later, when we have the clerical support to handle the paperwork,
individuals) to apply for funding to support their projects, whether
they be fundamental research, scholarships for education, design of
new algorithms or technology, or the construction of Amateur
facilities. The granting committee is being formed as we speak,
and we will publish a document on how to qualify for funding as
soon as we can -- it is being written now.
Best wishes and 73,
- Brian
2:11 p.m.
On 7/21/19 10:06 AM, Brian Kantor via 44Net wrote:
I think many of your questions would be answered if
you read the
article I wrote on the subject at <https://www.ampr.org/amprnet>.
But one point that I want to make even more strongly is that there
is NO plan to sell any more of the AMPRNet address space now or at
any time in the future.
Funny, in 2014 you mentioned to me, in person, you would never permit selling
of the space. Even leasing it long term was out of the question as it was in
trust for amateur radio, ARDC was a custodian of it.
Please note that we discussed this matter for many
many months
before moving ahead.
Where? There was no discussion with the community of users.
We think it is for the best.
This is part and parcel in how the unelected board operates; aloof and
condescending to the users.
And none of us gets any reward for any of this except
for the feeling
of having done the right and proper thing. We each of us have
received a number of thanks and congratulations, along with a lot
of vitriol, hate, and threats from small-minded hotheads.
So the board will never take a salary?
We all apologize for the secrecy, but it was forced
upon us in order
to participate in the IP address global marketplace. That is not
an open arena, and likely never will be. And that is not our doing.
Large corporations and governments, those who are the only possible
buyers of the required magnitude, do not conduct their business
details in public.
There's a disconnect here. Two decisions were made, one to sell a community
resource, the other is who to sell it to. The decision to sell needed to be
done in the open with the community. You can negotiate in secret and then be
open about the buyer and the sales price when it closes. We held the address
space, and set the terms.
Nothing said it _had_ to be sold.
With more than 50 million dollars that now must be
spent on promoting
amateur radio by supporting those that make ham radio what it is
and what it can be, we believe that the address space now converted
to funds will do more good for more hams and the future of amateur
radio than any unused idle addresses held for an unlikely future
use could possibly do.
Part of discussion of the sale with the community would be laying out exactly
how this foundation will work. ARDC is unsuitable to do this as it's
structured. The community will have no voice and continues to have no voice.
Board members who are friends and colleagues of yours get appointed and
elected with no input from the community.
ARDC should have setup a proper foundation to handle this endowment, separate
from the ARDC board and answerable to the community. Their business should be
conducted in the open and transparent to the community. The users could have
received clear benefits from this sale in normalization of services, SWIP,
RDNS, and maybe even RPKI. We'd have the best of both worlds, a strong single
purpose organization to give grants and maintain the endowment, and another
for the stewardship and technical support of the address space.
ARDC bungled this, both from the organizational and technical aspects. RDNS
is still broken for several users on /16 boundaries, and was broke for
everyone else 20+ hours on the day it closed.
In the near future, we expect to invite interested
groups (and
later, when we have the clerical support to handle the paperwork,
individuals) to apply for funding to support their projects, whether
they be fundamental research, scholarships for education, design of
new algorithms or technology, or the construction of Amateur
facilities. The granting committee is being formed as we speak,
and we will publish a document on how to qualify for funding as
soon as we can -- it is being written now.
ARDC is unsuited for this. ARDC has a poor (non-existent) track record of
supporting FOSS, is not engaged in the community, and the board has shocking
conflicts of interest.
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
2:55 p.m.
Dear Brian
Thank U for the brief answer
Please consider using part of the money for reserving us (buying ?) IPV6 address for
future use ..
and if possible increasing the AMPRNET router bandwidth (if money play in that matter)
and continue providing us excellent uptime for it
and if needed using part of that money for developing our network and upgrading it (say to
use VPN instead of IPIP tunnel)
Regards
Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
________________________________
From: 44Net <44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org> on behalf of Bryan
Fields via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:11 AM
To: AMPRNet working group
Cc: Bryan Fields
Subject: Re: [44net] 44.192.0.0/10 sale
On 7/21/19 10:06 AM, Brian Kantor via 44Net wrote:
I think many of your questions would be answered if
you read the
article I wrote on the subject at <https://www.ampr.org/amprnet>.
But one point that I want to make even more strongly is that there
is NO plan to sell any more of the AMPRNet address space now or at
any time in the future.
Funny, in 2014 you mentioned to me, in person, you would never permit selling
of the space. Even leasing it long term was out of the question as it was in
trust for amateur radio, ARDC was a custodian of it.
Please note that we discussed this matter for many
many months
before moving ahead.
Where? There was no discussion with the community of users.
We think it is for the best.
This is part and parcel in how the unelected board operates; aloof and
condescending to the users.
And none of us gets any reward for any of this except
for the feeling
of having done the right and proper thing. We each of us have
received a number of thanks and congratulations, along with a lot
of vitriol, hate, and threats from small-minded hotheads.
So the board will never take a salary?
We all apologize for the secrecy, but it was forced
upon us in order
to participate in the IP address global marketplace. That is not
an open arena, and likely never will be. And that is not our doing.
Large corporations and governments, those who are the only possible
buyers of the required magnitude, do not conduct their business
details in public.
There's a disconnect here. Two decisions were made, one to sell a community
resource, the other is who to sell it to. The decision to sell needed to be
done in the open with the community. You can negotiate in secret and then be
open about the buyer and the sales price when it closes. We held the address
space, and set the terms.
Nothing said it _had_ to be sold.
With more than 50 million dollars that now must be
spent on promoting
amateur radio by supporting those that make ham radio what it is
and what it can be, we believe that the address space now converted
to funds will do more good for more hams and the future of amateur
radio than any unused idle addresses held for an unlikely future
use could possibly do.
Part of discussion of the sale with the community would be laying out exactly
how this foundation will work. ARDC is unsuitable to do this as it's
structured. The community will have no voice and continues to have no voice.
Board members who are friends and colleagues of yours get appointed and
elected with no input from the community.
ARDC should have setup a proper foundation to handle this endowment, separate
from the ARDC board and answerable to the community. Their business should be
conducted in the open and transparent to the community. The users could have
received clear benefits from this sale in normalization of services, SWIP,
RDNS, and maybe even RPKI. We'd have the best of both worlds, a strong single
purpose organization to give grants and maintain the endowment, and another
for the stewardship and technical support of the address space.
ARDC bungled this, both from the organizational and technical aspects. RDNS
is still broken for several users on /16 boundaries, and was broke for
everyone else 20+ hours on the day it closed.
In the near future, we expect to invite interested
groups (and
later, when we have the clerical support to handle the paperwork,
individuals) to apply for funding to support their projects, whether
they be fundamental research, scholarships for education, design of
new algorithms or technology, or the construction of Amateur
facilities. The granting committee is being formed as we speak,
and we will publish a document on how to qualify for funding as
soon as we can -- it is being written now.
ARDC is unsuited for this. ARDC has a poor (non-existent) track record of
supporting FOSS, is not engaged in the community, and the board has shocking
conflicts of interest.
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
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19 Jul
19 Jul
12:31 a.m.
Phil,
I think it was a good move. Some will argue it should have been
discussed on this list, but seeing as how hams argue things to death I
understand how it was done.
Be sure to buy Brian a beer for me, as I am sure he is being inundated
with angry emails right now. In my opinion he has done a great
tireless job at keeping it afloat and useful for a good long time.
Steve, KB9MWR
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:20 PM Phil Karn <karn(a)ka9q.net> wrote:
Hello all,
I've not been active here, but some of you may remember me as the guy
who first got TCP/IP going on amateur packet radio way back in 1986. At
one time, my name was registered as the owner of the block. This makes
me one of a VERY small group of people with any arguable personal
property interest in network 44. And yes, 25% of this space, which is
VERY unlikely to ever be used by hams, has been sold to Amazon.
Rather than try to personally profit from this, we all readily agreed to
place the *entire* proceeds of this sale into a 501(c)(3) charity
chartered to support amateur digital radio and related developments. No
one is buying a yacht or a mansion. As a tax-exempt charity, our tax
returns and related documents will be publicly available so you can see
what is being done. Like the rest of the amateur community, all of you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
73, Phil
_________________________________________
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44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org
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12:32 a.m.
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On 7/19/19 12:19 AM, Phil Karn wrote:
Hello all,
I've not been active here, but some of you may remember me as the guy
who first got TCP/IP going on amateur packet radio way back in 1986. At
one time, my name was registered as the owner of the block. This makes
me one of a VERY small group of people with any arguable personal
property interest in network 44. And yes, 25% of this space, which is
VERY unlikely to ever be used by hams, has been sold to Amazon.
This is simply backroom politics and you know it. Had this been an open
discussion our board would have involved the community from day 1. ARDC held
this in trust, not as an asset to be disposed of to this highest bidder.
I demand you resign from ARDC as you've shown a lack of leadership.
- --
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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12:04 p.m.
New subject: Possible requirements for ARDC on the future grant process - initial grant ideas
Hello Phil, Everyone,
I was curious what the process is going to be for this ~$50M US dollars
(speculation on my part) grants? I would hope that ARDC will release a
published document on specific criteria for anything to be considered.
The vetting be an publicly available review process vs. something done
behind "closed doors", etc.. I would imagine this criteria could
include items such as:
- Make a decision if grants need to revolve around amateur related
networking topics or would it be anything generally for amateur radio
- Monies should be put into category buckets and tracked against
purposes like furthering the science, EmComm,
communications/awareness/marketing, large orgs (AmSat, TAPR, etc). No
one group should dominate in terms of granted monies. I imagine this
will be difficult to do as any one ask might be far more expensive than
many other little asks.
- A fair share of monies must go non-US located grants as AMPR must
be more than a US thing
- Monies should not go to any government entities in any country
- Monies should not go to for profit corporations. Examples include
say MFJ, Icom, Elecraft, HRO, Kenwood, Tyt, Motorola, etc.
- Monies should not go to HAM representative organizations like the
ARRL, RSRB, etc. One possible exception could be around spectrum
defense but this is iffy in my mind
- Monies should not go to "big gun" contesting groups, DX
expeditions, etc (IMHO because they already have money compared to many
many others)
- Monies spent on either software or hardware related projects must
be open source based on some agreeable license (not necessarily GPLv3, etc)
- Grant recipients must publicly submit formal requests confirming
their goals and how they meet XYZ requirements. They must receive
auditing on X interval of how the the money has been spent
- Any one grant must not exceed X US dollars
- Any one specific entity should not get more than X grants per
quarter and/or year
- Set a budget of no more than X US dollar be spent in a calendar
quarter and a calendar year
- The ARDC 501.C books and balance sheet should be publicly posted
and updated on a quarterly basis
Those are just some of the ideas that come to mind but I'm sure that
many other criteria should be considered.
Btw, I would like to formally see the consideration of a few grants ideas:
1. Allocate some amount of budget to properly over see this whole
process. It's going to be a lot of work and I believe those people
should be compensated for it. This level of compensation should be
fully disclosed and be "minimally" fair.
2. Develop and operate a redundant BGP backhaul for 44.0.0.1 beyond
just our current UCSD provider. Doesn't have to be anything super fast
but must be better than our current 0 Kbps
3. Hire a focused development team to have the Linux AX.25 stack
repaired due to the various errant commits that have been getting
committed. Modern linux kernels now have various bugs and toxicity that
is rendering native Linux as unusable. Myself and many other HAMs can
provide details but we don't have the expertise to correct these
issues. I also believe this team should work with the Linux community
to get proper unit tests added to the Linux development process so
future toxic commits can be caught as part of the modern continuous
development process.
This and related topics should be moved to a different email list so
interested parties can view and participate w/o bothering this core
technical email list
Just my $1.50
--David
KI6ZHD
Silicon Valley, CA 44.4.x.x/16 AMPR coordinator
On 07/18/2019 09:19 PM, Phil Karn wrote:
Hello all,
I've not been active here, but some of you may remember me as the guy
who first got TCP/IP going on amateur packet radio way back in 1986. At
one time, my name was registered as the owner of the block. This makes
me one of a VERY small group of people with any arguable personal
property interest in network 44. And yes, 25% of this space, which is
VERY unlikely to ever be used by hams, has been sold to Amazon.
Rather than try to personally profit from this, we all readily agreed to
place the *entire* proceeds of this sale into a 501(c)(3) charity
chartered to support amateur digital radio and related developments. No
one is buying a yacht or a mansion. As a tax-exempt charity, our tax
returns and related documents will be publicly available so you can see
what is being done. Like the rest of the amateur community, all of you
will have the opportunity to apply for grants and do good things for
amateur radio with them.
73, Phil
1:27 p.m.
New subject: Possible requirements for ARDC on the future grant process - initial grant ideas
On 7/19/19 09:04, David Ranch wrote:
Hello Phil, Everyone,
I was curious what the process is going to be for this ~$50M US
dollars (speculation on my part) grants? I would hope that ARDC will
release a published document on specific criteria for anything to be
considered. The vetting be an publicly available review process vs.
something done behind "closed doors", etc.. I would imagine this
criteria could include items such as:
David, I think this is an *outstanding* suggestion. It expresses almost
exactly what we've been thinking, and we're going to need help writing
it all down and putting it into practice. This is not a bad start. We
will definitely have to hire professionals such as tax lawyers,
accountants, auditors and investment advisors who are experienced with
nonprofits and understand the tax and other relevant laws. (I'd rather
the money go to ham radio, but this is the real world.)
Remember that the rules governing nonprofits already restrict what we
can do; all spending must further the charter of the organization, which
is to broadly benefit amateur digital radio development and any closely
related fields. I would not necessarily rule out, a priori, any
particular class of recipients because we simply don't know right now
what opportunities might pop up. As long as an entity can use our grant
to make a bona-fide contribution to digital amateur radio, adhering to
all our usual rules such as open source software, public documentation
and free use rights, we should at least consider it.
Phil
6 p.m.
New subject: Possible requirements for ARDC on the future grant process - initial grant ideas
Hello all,
perhaps this is already planned but my personal opinion is that
since this is a large sum of money, we should invest in some sort
of low risk investment. Then we would only spend the resultant
interest which would allow the fund to be used indefinitely. I can’t
comment on what those investments would be in the US, but in
Canada, that would be something like a GIC as one of the safest
options.
Whatever the outcome, David has some excellent suggestions! I
am very excited to see what projects get funded!
Bryce ~ AS202313
On Jul 19, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Phil Karn
<karn(a)ka9q.net> wrote:
On 7/19/19 09:04, David Ranch wrote:
Hello Phil, Everyone,
I was curious what the process is going to be for this ~$50M US
dollars (speculation on my part) grants? I would hope that ARDC will
release a published document on specific criteria for anything to be
considered. The vetting be an publicly available review process vs.
something done behind "closed doors", etc.. I would imagine this
criteria could include items such as:
David, I think this is an *outstanding* suggestion. It expresses almost
exactly what we've been thinking, and we're going to need help writing
it all down and putting it into practice. This is not a bad start. We
will definitely have to hire professionals such as tax lawyers,
accountants, auditors and investment advisors who are experienced with
nonprofits and understand the tax and other relevant laws. (I'd rather
the money go to ham radio, but this is the real world.)
Remember that the rules governing nonprofits already restrict what we
can do; all spending must further the charter of the organization, which
is to broadly benefit amateur digital radio development and any closely
related fields. I would not necessarily rule out, a priori, any
particular class of recipients because we simply don't know right now
what opportunities might pop up. As long as an entity can use our grant
to make a bona-fide contribution to digital amateur radio, adhering to
all our usual rules such as open source software, public documentation
and free use rights, we should at least consider it.
Phil
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21 Jul
7:15 p.m.
I was shocked at first, maybe even a little bit angry that 44net was
being sold off without consultation as it is arguably the largest (and
most underutilized) asset the amateur radio community has ever
possessed. I fully support this decision however.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 10:19 PM Phil Karn <karn(a)ka9q.net> wrote:
Rather than try to personally profit from this, we all
readily agreed to
place the *entire* proceeds of this sale into a 501(c)(3) charity.
I love this. The funds raised by the sale of the address space could
do a lot of good for digital exploration of this hobby.
73,
--
Dakota Hourie
VA6DAH
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