Hi all,
It's a work in progress but the following link should provide a link to the IP 44/8 address allocation document for NJ. http://mrprosser.g7ltt.com
We have very little AX.25 traffic in NJ but we do have a growing Mesh community which would benefit from this space.
Hands up if you want some!
Mark
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi all,
It's a work in progress but the following link should provide a link to the IP 44/8 address allocation document for NJ. http://mrprosser.g7ltt.com
We have very little AX.25 traffic in NJ but we do have a growing Mesh community which would benefit from this space.
Hands up if you want some!
Mark
I'm not sure I understand how breaking up subnets to counties like this is helpful. Is your routing actually hub-and-spoke like you say in the document, with a central router in each county? Do hams in that county connect directly to the central router for routing? Whether BGP, OSPF, or IPIP, I thought the plan for AMPR was do use mesh routing.
I've seen a case in AMPR where addresses were pre-allocated geographically instead of by network. Despite only having 3 registered hosts in the state, the coordinator did not have enough "free" space to allocate a large /19 subnet to a multi-county microwave network.
Tom KD7LXL
I'm not sure I understand how breaking up subnets to counties like this is helpful. Is your routing actually hub-and-spoke like you say in the document, with a central router in each county? Do hams in that county connect directly to the central router for routing? Whether BGP, OSPF, or IPIP, I thought the plan for AMPR was do use mesh routing.
I've seen a case in AMPR where addresses were pre-allocated geographically instead of by network.
That was done in Montana 20 years. It was a nice idea but functionally it did nothing but give me far too much experience in routing bits and pieces of the network on X1J nodes. We should have focused on actual live LAN's - networks in actual operation - and used the IP allocations to serve the users on the air.
73 Bill, WA7NWP
You make some good points, Tom.
However, we have exactly 0 active users in NJ and so this is all moot for now. I gotta start somewhere.
I've seen nor been told anything that says AMPR must use mesh routing. Please, do tell?
And why would a ham microwave network need 16K addresses? are they offering service to the general public? As it happens I have plenty of space left over for just such a scenario - but more by luck than judgement :)
Mark
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi all,
It's a work in progress but the following link should provide a link to the IP 44/8 address allocation document for NJ. http://mrprosser.g7ltt.com
We have very little AX.25 traffic in NJ but we do have a growing Mesh community which would benefit from this space.
Hands up if you want some!
Mark
I'm not sure I understand how breaking up subnets to counties like this is helpful. Is your routing actually hub-and-spoke like you say in the document, with a central router in each county? Do hams in that county connect directly to the central router for routing? Whether BGP, OSPF, or IPIP, I thought the plan for AMPR was do use mesh routing.
I've seen a case in AMPR where addresses were pre-allocated geographically instead of by network. Despite only having 3 registered hosts in the state, the coordinator did not have enough "free" space to allocate a large /19 subnet to a multi-county microwave network.
Tom KD7LXL _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
In the Memphis region, I'm using a /21. While the network has not yet been deployed, I do have a fair bit of the planning done. Here's a spreadsheet with the details of my subnetting: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnUSl_DGIHfJdDhiR1JJUHpvTkN0TmN...
I think Tom said mesh because of the IPIP tunnel topology.
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ You make some good points, Tom.
However, we have exactly 0 active users in NJ and so this is all moot for now. I gotta start somewhere.
I've seen nor been told anything that says AMPR must use mesh routing. Please, do tell?
And why would a ham microwave network need 16K addresses? are they offering service to the general public? As it happens I have plenty of space left over for just such a scenario - but more by luck than judgement :)
Mark
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi all,
It's a work in progress but the following link should provide a link to the IP 44/8 address allocation document for NJ. http://mrprosser.g7ltt.com
We have very little AX.25 traffic in NJ but we do have a growing Mesh community which would benefit from this space.
Hands up if you want some!
Mark
I'm not sure I understand how breaking up subnets to counties like this is helpful. Is your routing actually hub-and-spoke like you say in the document, with a central router in each county? Do hams in that county connect directly to the central router for routing? Whether BGP, OSPF, or IPIP, I thought the plan for AMPR was do use mesh routing.
I've seen a case in AMPR where addresses were pre-allocated geographically instead of by network. Despite only having 3 registered hosts in the state, the coordinator did not have enough "free" space to allocate a large /19 subnet to a multi-county microwave network.
Tom KD7LXL _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
Each link you setup between 2 nodes in the mesh needs a /30. You can get 64 /30's in a /24. These will be depleted faster then you think, especially in a mesh configuration where you build links as you go depending on what you can see with decent quality values, which is not always as logical as it might seem on a map. Sometimes a building or a mountain is in between 2 nodes only 5km apart, while you can see nodes 20km away, and ofcourse you want it all to be redundant.
73s Robbie
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 10:30 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ You make some good points, Tom.
However, we have exactly 0 active users in NJ and so this is all moot for now. I gotta start somewhere.
I've seen nor been told anything that says AMPR must use mesh routing. Please, do tell?
And why would a ham microwave network need 16K addresses? are they offering service to the general public? As it happens I have plenty of space left over for just such a scenario - but more by luck than judgement :)
Mark
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi all,
It's a work in progress but the following link should provide a link to the IP 44/8 address allocation document for NJ. http://mrprosser.g7ltt.com
We have very little AX.25 traffic in NJ but we do have a growing Mesh community which would benefit from this space.
Hands up if you want some!
Mark
I'm not sure I understand how breaking up subnets to counties like this is helpful. Is your routing actually hub-and-spoke like you say in the document, with a central router in each county? Do hams in that county connect directly to the central router for routing? Whether BGP, OSPF, or IPIP, I thought the plan for AMPR was do use mesh routing.
I've seen a case in AMPR where addresses were pre-allocated geographically instead of by network. Despite only having 3 registered hosts in the state, the coordinator did not have enough "free" space to allocate a large /19 subnet to a multi-county microwave network.
Tom KD7LXL _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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