3 Apr
2012
3 Apr
'12
2:12 a.m.
All,
Many have posted good responses on what would be needed to continue this project. I
don't want to repeat any good suggestions (which I am also re-reading); but wanted to
add a few; as I originally requested a subnet for the purpose of peering with Amateur
Digital Radio Communications, or up to consideration of a Layer 1 connections to PoPs (I
am working on such arraignments for our area using multi-homed non-commercial means).
I have polished up on my BGP routing concepts and found these things:
- in the MDC section, we would be seeking local peers via other non-commercial backbones
- Doing BGP, the assumption we were to arrange at least layer 1 connectivity (via wireless
and/or terrestrial [our area is fiber or greater to peer] which we're working on), at
least back to Brian, this will require an AS Number
- the concern in my area, want to pursue non-commercial means of announcement, redundancy
to the non-commercial/commercial backbone, etc, in case the commercial network went down
- Internet2.edu is being built out from stimulus funds, it is primarily non-commercial -
just a thought, and a path we're looking into
- I am willing to assist in this endeavor, and would like to sit-in on a conference call,
if convened
- There are other networks I'm sure are willing to carry a VLANs over their fiber
- BGP to a PoP for most who wishes to peer with us would require us to really lobby our
CFR Title 47 §97.1(a), that we have other Peers willing to provide Layer 1 Transport
(working on this) - I see no need for us to work seperately, and wanted to mention this
Anyone interested in being homed with another Autonomous System, please consider working
with together on a National Amateur Wireless Society, if we receive International
Interest, we may have to see other regional interest. Also, would a regional authority be
willing to donate us an AS number (made requests)?
~73,
Lynwood
KB3VWG
3 Apr
3 Apr
2:23 a.m.
New subject: directly routed subnets
This will also mean that nay Operator that wishes to BGP should also consider also running
the AMPR standard rip44d on the same device, if the intention is to make all 44/8
addresses equally reachable from any PoP, eventually, as is the intend purpose of BGP.
73,
~Lynwood
KB3VWG
Member ISOC
-----Original Message-----
From: lleachii <lleachii(a)aol.com>
To: 44net <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: directly routed subnets
All,
Many have posted good responses on what would be needed to continue this project. I
don't want to repeat any good suggestions (which I am also re-reading); but wanted to
add a few; as I originally requested a subnet for the purpose of peering with Amateur
Digital Radio Communications, or up to consideration of a Layer 1 connections to PoPs (I
am working on such arraignments for our area using multi-homed non-commercial means).
I have polished up on my BGP routing concepts and found these things:
- in the MDC section, we would be seeking local peers via other non-commercial backbones
- Doing BGP, the assumption we were to arrange at least layer 1 connectivity (via wireless
and/or terrestrial [our area is fiber or greater to peer] which we're working on), at
least back to Brian, this will require an AS Number
- the concern in my area, want to pursue non-commercial means of announcement, redundancy
to the non-commercial/commercial backbone, etc, in case the commercial network went down
- Internet2.edu is being built out from stimulus funds, it is primarily non-commercial -
just a thought, and a path we're looking into
- I am willing to assist in this endeavor, and would like to sit-in on a conference call,
if convened
- There are other networks I'm sure are willing to carry a VLANs over their fiber
- BGP to a PoP for most who wishes to peer with us would require us to really lobby our
CFR Title 47 §97.1(a), that we have other Peers willing to provide Layer 1 Transport
(working on this) - I see no need for us to work seperately, and wanted to mention this
Anyone interested in being homed with another Autonomous System, please consider working
with together on a National Amateur Wireless Society, if we receive International
Interest, we may have to see other regional interest. Also, would a regional authority be
willing to donate us an AS number (made requests)?
~73,
Lynwood
KB3VWG
6:05 p.m.
New subject: directly routed subnets
Dear all,
To respond to last few lines of the previous contribution below, as the
acting coordinator of the Swedish subnet 44.140/16, appointed by the
previous coordinator that is listed in the coordinator list but has left
the area to pursue other goals, I am working with colleagues in
different part of Sweden to reclaim the address space to its original
purposes and discuss with our national radio amateur association ssa.se
about how to organise a sustainable management of the resource and to
accept a delegation from the root if there is one offered.
As an academic I see the potential in the common resource for research
and education and I am discussing with our academic partners partners in
other countries, some of them in developing countries on other
continents than mine, to use these resources for public good purposes.
There is clearly an interest to revive and vitalize the area everywhere,
but it would help if this list could to agree on a more explicit
declaration on where we are heading and how national bodies,
organisations and individuals can best contribute to progress towards
those goals. Or is this a hen and an egg problem?
Everyone I have been talking to supports the idea to establish a global
independent radio amateur network by applying for an AS number and
eventually maybe even some ipv6 address space, but I am sure that such
applications have to come from the registered owners of the 44/8
resource and be accompanied by declarations of acceptable use policies,
ethics, delegation agreements including requirements for enforcement of
rules and sanctions for non-compliants. I am a rookie in this community
so I do not know the decision procedures.
73 de sa0bxi/bjorn
On 2012-04-03 04:12, lleachii(a)aol.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
_______________________________________________
All,
Many have posted good responses on what would be needed to continue
this project. I don't want to repeat any good suggestions (which I am
also re-reading); but wanted to add a few; as I originally requested a
subnet for the purpose of peering with Amateur Digital Radio
Communications, or up to consideration of a Layer 1 connections to
PoPs (I am working on such arraignments for our area using multi-homed
non-commercial means).
I have polished up on my BGP routing concepts and found these things:
- in the MDC section, we would be seeking local peers via other
non-commercial backbones
- Doing BGP, the assumption we were to arrange at least layer 1
connectivity (via wireless and/or terrestrial [our area is fiber or
greater to peer] which we're working on), at least back to Brian, this
will require an AS Number
- the concern in my area, want to pursue non-commercial means of
announcement, redundancy to the non-commercial/commercial backbone,
etc, in case the commercial network went down
- Internet2.edu is being built out from stimulus funds, it is
primarily non-commercial - just a thought, and a path we're looking into
- I am willing to assist in this endeavor, and would like to sit-in on
a conference call, if convened
- There are other networks I'm sure are willing to carry a VLANs over
their fiber
- BGP to a PoP for most who wishes to peer with us would require us to
really lobby our CFR Title 47 §97.1(a), that we have other Peers
willing to provide Layer 1 Transport (working on this) - I see no need
for us to work seperately, and wanted to mention this
Anyone interested in being homed with another Autonomous System,
please consider working with together on a National Amateur Wireless
Society, if we receive International Interest, we may have to see
other regional interest. Also, would a regional authority be willing
to donate us an AS number (made requests)?
~73,
Lynwood
KB3VWG
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