I have some questions (most are not technically) 1)how much downtime you had lets say the last year (i mean downtime not because of server upgrade) i mean because server failure or software failure
Nearly zero, as far as I am aware. We were offline for about 20 minutes because of the installation of the second machine that required everything to be moved and that did not go as planned because the server rack mounting rails did not fit and a solution had to be found. Last night there was router maintenance in the datacenter and we were offline for a few seconds for the VRRP (I think) switchover. This means a few alerts appeared in our monitoring. But normally we are always on. The mobile device Echolink traffic of half the globe passes through this server... (we are hosting the Echolink Relays 44.137.75.240 - 44.137.75.249 and 200 Echolink Proxy servers)
- where do you get budget for buying such a server and hosting at ISP farm is it a donation ? or the amateur pay this?
We get the machines for free, they are left-overs from datacenters that get donated to us via amateurs working in that business. Those companies replace their servers after 3 years or so, and they are still in good condition to use. The ISP XS4ALL generously gives us the BGP announcing for free, there are radio amateurs working there who arranged this for us.
Other running costs are covered by donations from amateurs. We run a lot of services that the amateur community appreciates, like a country-wide 2m and 70cm FM relay with 3 co-channel transmitters on high sites and 17 receivers spread over the country. It attracts a lot of activity, you can talk to anyone here on 70cm with just a portable from most locations. Also relays for DMR, D-Star, ATV etc. The amprnet is used as a network for that. Of course the work hours are free :-) But of course those in the team always pay a lot of the small costs, which add up as well. Fortunately the team is quite large.
You can find some detail at our website http://hobbyscoop.nl/ At the moment this is only in Dutch, of course you can visit it via Google Translate.
and after all i solute you for all the services you provide there (im now trying to connect our only P25 repeater to a world wide network) its consider minor to what you do there .
I am interested in that as well... we do not run P25 here I think, what network is that? Does it use some form of VPN to secure the connection? (usually this is done because those devices are not hardened enough to put directly on the internet of today)
Of course everyone experiments with the things he is interested in and can collect the resources for. So I really encourage you to do experiments with what you have available! (except trying to make a fully functional IPIP gateway with a Cisco router... but that is my personal opinion:-)
Rob
What happned if I want to connect your DMR repeaters to ours (we have one DMR connected to the MARC network) and my DMR sit on Non AMPR adress ?
as for the P25 it is a solution that was done by by few hams last year it consist of a server software Free one (i know of only one server currently and there are about 13 repeaters connected world wide ) you can read it here http://communications.support/threads/4798-IP-link-Quantar-V-24-systems-usin...
I still didnt leave the Cisco Gateway idea i will get tomorrow hopefully Cisco 2800 and see if it can work with 300 Tunnels if not it will go to the P25 connection Project
however some good guy saw my request on the local hams facebook about the Pi Board (with the link you provided) and willing to give me a configured board for tests , if it will be reliable it tern out that ill leave the cisco idea
one more question (Personal one) are you the Rob Jebsen who was involved in the Jnos Software long ago ? I think I used one of your Jnos version the call sign was PE1CHL in the Days that our gateways was a Jnos/Dos
73's Roonen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
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Ronen,
Last year Jason Begley KY9J posted a PERL script he wrote for converting encap.txt to ios.
The script works very well. I use a custom expect script to download and update my Cisco router. I have not ran into any issues using a cisco router for my 44net Gateway.
Here is the link that was posted by Jason last April. "https://www.dropbox.com/s/rz31uuqgxljpbd9/encapconvert.pl?dl=0"
Hope this help you.
Jerry, KD4YAL
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:31 AM, R P ronenp@hotmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ What happned if I want to connect your DMR repeaters to ours (we have one DMR connected to the MARC network) and my DMR sit on Non AMPR adress ?
as for the P25 it is a solution that was done by by few hams last year it consist of a server software Free one (i know of only one server currently and there are about 13 repeaters connected world wide ) you can read it here http://communications.support/threads/4798-IP-link-Quantar-V-24-systems-usin...
I still didnt leave the Cisco Gateway idea i will get tomorrow hopefully Cisco 2800 and see if it can work with 300 Tunnels if not it will go to the P25 connection Project
however some good guy saw my request on the local hams facebook about the Pi Board (with the link you provided) and willing to give me a configured board for tests , if it will be reliable it tern out that ill leave the cisco idea
one more question (Personal one) are you the Rob Jebsen who was involved in the Jnos Software long ago ? I think I used one of your Jnos version the call sign was PE1CHL in the Days that our gateways was a Jnos/Dos
73's Roonen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
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I knew im right and someone work here with Cisco May you send me the config file (if you prfered privetly) .... Thank Forward Ronen
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Jerry DeLong kd4yal@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 6:38 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Ronen,
Last year Jason Begley KY9J posted a PERL script he wrote for converting encap.txt to ios.
The script works very well. I use a custom expect script to download and update my Cisco router. I have not ran into any issues using a cisco router for my 44net Gateway.
Here is the link that was posted by Jason last April. "https://www.dropbox.com/s/rz31uuqgxljpbd9/encapconvert.pl?dl=0"
Hope this help you.
Jerry, KD4YAL
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:31 AM, R P ronenp@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Ronen,
My config is very complex and would not serve you for what you want to do. Review the perl script as it will build the tunnels for you.
Jerry, KD4YAL
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:41 AM, R P ronenp@hotmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I knew im right and someone work here with Cisco May you send me the config file (if you prfered privetly) .... Thank Forward Ronen
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Jerry DeLong kd4yal@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 6:38 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Ronen,
Last year Jason Begley KY9J posted a PERL script he wrote for converting encap.txt to ios.
The script works very well. I use a custom expect script to download and update my Cisco router. I have not ran into any issues using a cisco router for my 44net Gateway.
Here is the link that was posted by Jason last April. "https://www.dropbox.com/s/rz31uuqgxljpbd9/encapconvert.pl?dl=0"
Hope this help you.
Jerry, KD4YAL
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:31 AM, R P ronenp@hotmail.com wrote:
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can you at least tell me what model is it ?
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Jerry DeLong kd4yal@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 9:01 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi Ronen,
My config is very complex and would not serve you for what you want to do. Review the perl script as it will build the tunnels for you.
Cisco 2821
Jerry, KD4YAL
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:03 PM, R P ronenp@hotmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ can you at least tell me what model is it ?
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Jerry DeLong kd4yal@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 9:01 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi Ronen,
My config is very complex and would not serve you for what you want to do. Review the perl script as it will build the tunnels for you.
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Thank you you made me happy Im getting 2800 series router in the coming days .. 73;s Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Jerry DeLong kd4yal@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 9:35 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Cisco 2821
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 05:42:40PM +0000, R P wrote:
Thank you you made me happy
Ronen, perhaps you don't realize that the script that Jerry pointed you to is a Perl program that you have to run on a computer system (most likely Linux) to generate parts of the config file for your router. It is not a config file. It does not run on your router. You need a computer that has the Perl programming language installed.
Furthermore, you have to fetch the encap file and run the Perl program and install the resulting config on your router probably every day in order to have good connectivity. - Brian
Dear Brian Im aware of it actually i have asked for help and got info to install a Perl software on my PC in the beginning ill do it manually later on some automation will be done (as login or TFTP ) With help of some software guys I promise when i have better solution ill leave the Cisco alone .... I wonder how the Cisco gateways that are operative here update their encap unfortunately im almost alone in the business in my country without persons that know or understand so i stick to what i know and working (other solution will be running JNOS/DOS but i think that is a worse solution) as soon as the Pi solution will work (i have just now heard that OPENWRT capable of a gateway also so i might try using one of the home routers for that) ill take all the other bad solution out of operation Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 9:52 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 05:42:40PM +0000, R P wrote:
Thank you you made me happy
Ronen, perhaps you don't realize that the script that Jerry pointed you to is a Perl program that you have to run on a computer system (most likely Linux) to generate parts of the config file for your router. It is not a config file. It does not run on your router. You need a computer that has the Perl programming language installed.
Furthermore, you have to fetch the encap file and run the Perl program and install the resulting config on your router probably every day in order to have good connectivity. - Brian
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I think all the talk about Cisco router reliability spooked my 10 year old 3725 router. It finally died. The fans quit about a year ago.
I just replaced it with a 2801 and am back online with no config issues.
If anyone needs assistance with a Cisco config, let me know.
Thanks Jesse - WC3XS
On 2/23/16, 1:18 PM, "44Net on behalf of R P" <44net-bounces+jesse=hindmarsh.cc@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of ronenp@hotmail.com> wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Dear Brian Im aware of it actually i have asked for help and got info to install a Perl software on my PC in the beginning ill do it manually later on some automation will be done (as login or TFTP ) With help of some software guys I promise when i have better solution ill leave the Cisco alone .... I wonder how the Cisco gateways that are operative here update their encap unfortunately im almost alone in the business in my country without persons that know or understand so i stick to what i know and working (other solution will be running JNOS/DOS but i think that is a worse solution) as soon as the Pi solution will work (i have just now heard that OPENWRT capable of a gateway also so i might try using one of the home routers for that) ill take all the other bad solution out of operation Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 9:52 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Cisco router Config File for use as Gateway
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 05:42:40PM +0000, R P wrote:
Thank you you made me happy
Ronen, perhaps you don't realize that the script that Jerry pointed you to is a Perl program that you have to run on a computer system (most likely Linux) to generate parts of the config file for your router. It is not a config file. It does not run on your router. You need a computer that has the Perl programming language installed.
Furthermore, you have to fetch the encap file and run the Perl program and install the resulting config on your router probably every day in order to have good connectivity. - Brian
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