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Bryan Fields

13 Sep 2019 13 Sep '19

9:52 a.m.

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Dan Cross

13 Sep 13 Sep

9:55 a.m.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:53 AM Bryan Fields via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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https://www.ampr.org/grants/ ARDC has now given 110k to ARISS. I've asked ARISS if they condone ARDC by accepting this fraudulently obtained funding.

Could you please refrain from sending this stuff to the 44-net mailing list? Thanks. - Dan C., KZ2X

Neil Johnson

5:22 p.m.

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https://www.ampr.org/grants/ ARDC has now given 110k to ARISS. I've asked ARISS if they condone ARDC by accepting this fraudulently obtained funding. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net --

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Pedja YT9TP

8:23 p.m.

I think it is very useful that someone monitors and reports here what is going on. On 13.09.2019 23:22, Neil Johnson via 44Net wrote:

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Mr. Fields, Please cease and desist from spreading unsubstantiated falsehoods until you have actual evidence and can cite specific laws or regulations that have been violated. Just because things don’t go the way you want them to doesn’t mean they’re illegal. -Neil N0SFH On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bryan Fields via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > https://www.ampr.org/grants/ > > ARDC has now given 110k to ARISS. I've asked ARISS if they condone ARDC by > accepting this fraudulently obtained funding. > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net

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Fredric Moses

8:33 p.m.

He is the only one watching and he should watch.. The board doesn't seem to want to communicate to the community about it.. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred(a)moses.bz On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:24 PM Pedja YT9TP via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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I think it is very useful that someone monitors and reports here what is going on. On 13.09.2019 23:22, Neil Johnson via 44Net wrote:

Mr. Fields, Please cease and desist from spreading unsubstantiated falsehoods until

you

have actual evidence and can cite specific laws or regulations that have been violated. Just because things don’t go the way you want them to doesn’t mean

they’re

illegal. -Neil N0SFH On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 8:52 AM Bryan Fields via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > https://www.ampr.org/grants/ > > ARDC has now given 110k to ARISS. I've asked ARISS if they condone

ARDC by

> accepting this fraudulently obtained funding. > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net

-- 73, Pedja YT9TP Checkout: https://pedja.supurovic.net/ https://yu1abh.uzice.net/ https://www.facebook.com/yu1abh/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/yu1abh.konstruktori/ http://www.radio-amater.rs/ _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

Ron Economos

9:40 p.m.

Not exactly a secret. http://www.arrl.org/news/amateur-radio-digital-communications-announces-gra… Ron W6RZ On 9/13/19 17:33, Fredric Moses via 44Net wrote:

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I think it is very useful that someone monitors and reports here what is going on. On 13.09.2019 23:22, Neil Johnson via 44Net wrote:

Mr. Fields, Please cease and desist from spreading unsubstantiated falsehoods until

you

have actual evidence and can cite specific laws or regulations that have been violated. Just because things don’t go the way you want them to doesn’t mean

they’re

ARDC by

> accepting this fraudulently obtained funding. > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net

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Fredric Moses

9:42 p.m.

Till it was posted here on this the 44Net list.. had no clue… the ARRL isn’t the source for all information… -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred(a)moses.bz

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On Sep 13, 2019, at 21:40, Ron Economos via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: Not exactly a secret. http://www.arrl.org/news/amateur-radio-digital-communications-announces-gra… Ron W6RZ

K7VE - John

14 Sep 14 Sep

1:20 a.m.

*ARDC is not a membership organization*. They don't have to poll the 'community' of users to make grants. You can track their grants here <https://www.ampr.org/grants/>. Their process is outlined here <https://www.ampr.org/giving/>. However, accusations and unsubstantiated claims based on personal opinion are not facts. The 'community' are the recipients of the benefits the ARDC provides, including address space. We should keep this list focused on the development of the network. I would suggest that another vehicle be chosen for personal issues. A separate gathering place is probably appropriate. On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:44 PM Fredric Moses via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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Till it was posted here on this the 44Net list.. had no clue… the ARRL isn’t the source for all information…

-- ------------------------------ John D. Hays - K7VE Kingston, WA <http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays> <http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>

Fredric Moses

5:03 a.m.

And this list is the Community… Somebody sent the league a notice so they could toot a horn or two.. Would it be that hard to CC the same message to this list as well.. IT Does happen to be on the network and the grants can and will effect us. This is the appropriate gathering place for the community after all. -- Fredric Moses - W8FSM - WQOG498 fred(a)moses.bz

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On Sep 14, 2019, at 01:20, K7VE - John <k7ve(a)k7ve.org> wrote: ARDC is not a membership organization. They don't have to poll the 'community' of users to make grants. You can track their grants here. Their process is outlined here. However, accusations and unsubstantiated claims based on personal opinion are not facts. The 'community' are the recipients of the benefits the ARDC provides, including address space. We should keep this list focused on the development of the network. I would suggest that another vehicle be chosen for personal issues. A separate gathering place is probably appropriate

Tom Hayward

13 Sep 13 Sep

6:50 p.m.

Thanks for the update, Bryan. I would not have known about this without your message. It is odd that we don't see more discussion of these grant applications and grants here on the list. You would think it would be important enough to discuss. I guess these discussions are happening behind closed doors. Tom KD7LXL On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:55 AM Bryan Fields via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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Stacy

16 Sep 16 Sep

2:15 a.m.

On 9/13/19 3:50 PM, Tom Hayward via 44Net wrote:

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I second this. Thanks Bryan. As Tom said, we aren't hearing about this directly from ARDC's board on this list. I welcome the updates. -Stacy KG7QIN

K7VE - John

11:42 a.m.

I suggest that those of you who are interested (the minority, I would estimate) should form your own list, if you are not motivated enough to go check the ARDC page that lists their grants. On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:17 PM Stacy via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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On 9/13/19 3:50 PM, Tom Hayward via 44Net wrote:

behind

closed doors. Tom KD7LXL

I second this. Thanks Bryan. As Tom said, we aren't hearing about this directly from ARDC's board on this list. I welcome the updates. -Stacy KG7QIN _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

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Paul Sladen

1:17 p.m.

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, K7VE - John via 44Net wrote:

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to go check the ARDC page that lists their grants.

Hello John, a sequence to find the grant text is: 1. View https://www.ampr.org/ 2. Click "contribute funding" 3. View https://www.ampr.org/giving/ 4. Read "Grants are not yet available. Do not apply at this time." 5. Click "A list of all awards to date is available by clicking here." 6. Read https://www.ampr.org/grants/ 7. Click "Next Generation Radio" 8. Read https://www.ampr.org/g2019-09-01a/ Is there a shorter sequence to locate the grant (request) texts from beginning at front page? (Or could one be added?) -Paul, DL/2E0PHS

Adam Korab

23 Sep 23 Sep

1:50 p.m.

This is interesting...as of today: On 09/16/2019 at 18:17, Paul Sladen via 44Net wrote:

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3. View https://www.ampr.org/giving/ 4. Read "Grants are not yet available. Do not apply at this time."

OK, that says, as you mention "Grants are not yet available. Do not apply at this time."

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6. Read https://www.ampr.org/grants/

But this indicates that 2 grants have, in fact, been dispersed. So...if nobody can apply for grants at this time, how did it work for TAPR and ARISS, exactly? And since the 44/8 sale was announced on 2019-07-19 and the TAPR grant is listed on that page with a grant date of 2019-08-01, that's a duration of (8) business days in between. Seems like an awfully fast turn around from "bear with us, we have no process for you to even apply for grants, much less award anything yet!" to: 1) TAPR becomes aware of grants from ARDC 2) TAPR writes grant request and applies to ARDC 3) ARDC reviews grant request 4) ARDC awards TAPR $10k USD. One wonders, then, if TAPR had advance knowledge of the availability of grants, or if their request got somehow fast-tracked because some animals are more equal than others? Mind you, I have no problem with TAPR as an entity nor what they're doing with the award...just wondering how the process managed to unfold so quickly, especially since the grants page still tells everyone else not to bother applying yet. --adrock

Paul Sladen

3:33 p.m.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, Adam Korab wrote:

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the TAPR grant is listed on that page with a grant date of 2019-08-01,

For completeness, an earlier archive of the page: http://web.archive.org/web/20190731074353/https://www.ampr.org/grants/ listed the date as: 2019-07-30; Dummy.org; Student Travel to DCC; $10,000; Multi-year which was subsequently ammended: http://web.archive.org/web/20190802231337/https://www.ampr.org/grants/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190802231356/https://www.ampr.org/g19-08-01a/ and later moved, to following updates in the URL scheme: http://web.archive.org/web/20190814221621/https://www.ampr.org/grants/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190814221621/https://www.ampr.org/g2019-08-01a -Paul

Lin Holcomb

16 Sep 16 Sep

1:38 p.m.

Please continue to use the term "Fraud Update" in the subject so these hit the round file from now on. Thanks Lin N4YCI On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:15 AM Stacy via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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On 9/13/19 3:50 PM, Tom Hayward via 44Net wrote:

behind

closed doors. Tom KD7LXL

-- Lin Holcomb Office: +1 404 806 5412 Mobile: +1 404 933 1595 Fax: +1 404 348 4250

Randy Neals

3:44 p.m.

That's a great suggestion. I concur. -R On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:40 AM Lin Holcomb via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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On 9/13/19 3:50 PM, Tom Hayward via 44Net wrote: > Thanks for the update, Bryan. I would not have known about this without > your message. It is odd that we don't see more discussion of these

grant

applications and grants here on the list. You would think it would be important enough to discuss. I guess these discussions are happening

behind

closed doors. Tom KD7LXL

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Dan Cross

2:24 p.m.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:15 AM Stacy via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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On 9/13/19 3:50 PM, Tom Hayward via 44Net wrote:

behind

closed doors. Tom KD7LXL

I second this. Thanks Bryan. As Tom said, we aren't hearing about this directly from ARDC's board on this list. I welcome the updates.

Updates are one thing. The hyperbolic pronouncements of fraud are another entirely.

Paul Sladen

1:01 p.m.

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019, Bryan Fields via 44Net wrote:

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https://www.ampr.org/grants/ ARDC has now given 110k to ARISS.

Thank you for spotting and disseminating the grant to this list Bryan, Hopefully, going forward, (members of) the board will proactively copy information to the 44net list as a matter of routine course. In the mean-time it's really useful to have these updates. Thank you. Spent a bit of time reading and learning of the "Interoperable Radio System" as a result!... ARISS / Interoperable Radio System: =================================== Each unit will consist of a Kenwood TM-D710GA radio (separate "head" and "black box"), plus a custom-developed power supply, able to run off all of the assortment of power supply voltages found on the ISS (Russian, and US segments), whilst meeting the EMC requirements (and not backfeeding RF into the power system!). Each unit looks like: https://twitter.com/AmsatUK/status/1052631476779569153 The units are being developed to fly on the International Space Station (ISS) in future: http://www.arrl.org/news/ariss-moves-one-step-closer-to-flying-new-ham-equi… (2017-10-03) As of 2017 the expected price for the programme had been, $150,000, so the injection of $110,000 via ARDC is the vast majority. Other contributions were obtained via: https://www.ariss.org/donate.html The existing Ham-band external antenna groups will continue to be used with the new hardware. -Paul DL/2E0PHS For those interested, $110k ~= a /19 or 8192 IPv4 addresses.

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Adam Korab
Bryan Fields
Dan Cross
Fredric Moses
K7VE - John
Lin Holcomb
Neil Johnson
Paul Sladen
Pedja YT9TP
Randy Neals
Ron Economos
Stacy
Tom Hayward