Re: [44net] Education about networking (Was Re: Inviting you - 44net

8 Oct 2020


      Just to clarify.
44.168.x.y/16 IS ROUTED via BGP on Internet. But the firewall is blocking
most of the communications from outside the 44 world.
73 Remi F6CNB N5CNB
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 14:51:12 +0200
From: Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com
To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Education about networking (Was Re: Inviting you
    to ARDC Grantmaking Survey + Community Jitsi Call)
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Le 05/10/2020 ? 10:40, Rob Janssen via 44Net a ?crit?:
...
Please understand that in the topology I am proposing (and have 
proposed several times in the past) you don't need to do that as an 
individual, it is left to local groups or ARDC to do that.
+1
We are using a similar topology here.
Anyway, the details of our implementation differ :
- We are currently testing Wireguard as a replacement for OpenVPN (too much
odd behaviors with OpenVPN)
- Our endpoints are $20-$50 OpenWRT routers. We configure them, and send
them to the local users / sites.
- On any site, we typically route /29 (5 usable IPs) on small sites and
/28 (13 usable IPs) on more important sites
- We typically route a 44.190 subnet for things that requite public Internet
addressing (D-Star, DMR, XLX) (as defined by DG8NGN), and a
44.168 subnet for all ham-related machines.
- Any site can have a 44.190 subnet, a 44.168 subnet, or both.
- There's no more dual adressing. All machines only have a 44.168 or
44.190 IP. Except for the central gateway, no machine / no server is using
public Internet IP anymore.
- Due to the highly experimental nature of the network and the tiny size, we
do not have full internal dynamic routing yet, and we use static routing for
now. Our dynamic experiments on some sites are using OSPF.
- 44.190 subnet is routed on Internet with BGP via a Vultr VPS (which costs
$5/month, is easy to implement, and is independent of local ISP BGP
capabilities)
- 44.168 subnet is currently not routed on Internet via BGP, because this
does not have much sense. For now, it's not routed outside of our island.
But we plan to implement IP-IP routing on the central gateway (as we had in
our previous iteration)
Maybe we should try to identify all people using this kind of topology all
over the world (what I called a "Regional" or "local" gateways) ?
Then, we may try to "normalize" our implementations :
- Adoption of dual-addressing : 44.190 for things that require Internet
access, and 44.<country> for other things
- Choice of internal VPN tunneling protocol(s)
- Choice of internal routing protocol
- Choice of external routing method (tunnels and routing between gateways)
73 de TK1BI
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 15:27:49 +0200
From: Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com
To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Inviting you to ARDC Grantmaking Survey +
    Community Jitsi Call
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Le 03/10/2020 ? 18:55, Corey Dean via 44Net a ?crit?:
...
Part of the BrandMeister network is using some of the 44 range. The 
main bm webpage is using it.
Here are some quick and dirty stats :
XLX is an open-source digital gateway used all over the world to
interconnect D-Star and DMR repeaters (and many other protocols) XLX API
provides a "hosts" file of all registered XLX nodes with their IP This file
has approx. 1700 lines.
Due to triple REF, DCS, XRF naming, we can assume there are roughly 560
independent nodes.
The file contains only 36 entries using AMPR 44.x IP addressing, and among
them, only 12 are unique
*-> Only 2% of the XLX-connected reflectors are using AMPR addresses !!!*
And this is only for reflectors (=servers), who are managed by people with
more than average skills. I didn't find how to obtain stats for all the
repeaters connected to all the reflectors, but adoption rate will be even
lower !
COMMENTS :
- AMPR addressing is used on country-wide servers, and by isolated teams
around the world (including myself, HI)? mostly because people who maintain
servers have the skills and equipment to do that.
- We still have some work until mass adoption by the local reflectors and
repeaters SysOps
- And even more work for mass adoption by any HAM in the world...
CONCLUSION :
As I already said, IMHO, our #1 goal should be : make AMPR addressing easier
to use, both for local SysOps/teams, and for end users.
73 de TK1BI
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 14:01:29 +0000
From: pete M petem001@hotmail.com
To: AMPRNet working group 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Inviting you to ARDC Grantmaking Survey +
    Community Jitsi Call
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I am 100% with you.
I don't count myself as top sys admin. But I am far from being a noob. And I
have been struggling to have Ipip or other ways of connecting to the net.
I have multiple site connected by VPN to my vps . I run multiple wireless
link with fallback  to lte modem. In case of a trouble with the link and
yet, the only way I think I will achieve a stable way to have a connection
and 44 net IP will be by bgp.
That bring that I need a /24 at a minimum. Do I need a /24? Not at first and
I hope I will be able to have other hams in my region to take some of my /24
( will give them with the VPN server) but frankly this also mean the I will
be responsible for there action on the 44 net. And that is putting some
pressure on me.
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Jitsi Call
Le 03/10/2020 ? 18:55, Corey Dean via 44Net a ?crit :
...
Part of the BrandMeister network is using some of the 44 range. The 
main bm webpage is using it.
Here are some quick and dirty stats :
XLX is an open-source digital gateway used all over the world to
interconnect D-Star and DMR repeaters (and many other protocols) XLX API
provides a "hosts" file of all registered XLX nodes with their IP This file
has approx. 1700 lines.
Due to triple REF, DCS, XRF naming, we can assume there are roughly 560
independent nodes.
The file contains only 36 entries using AMPR 44.x IP addressing, and among
them, only 12 are unique
*-> Only 2% of the XLX-connected reflectors are using AMPR addresses !!!*
And this is only for reflectors (=servers), who are managed by people with
more than average skills. I didn't find how to obtain stats for all the
repeaters connected to all the reflectors, but adoption rate will be even
lower !
COMMENTS :
- AMPR addressing is used on country-wide servers, and by isolated teams
around the world (including myself, HI)  mostly because people who maintain
servers have the skills and equipment to do that.
- We still have some work until mass adoption by the local reflectors and
repeaters SysOps
- And even more work for mass adoption by any HAM in the world...
CONCLUSION :
As I already said, IMHO, our #1 goal should be : make AMPR addressing easier
to use, both for local SysOps/teams, and for end users.
73 de TK1BI
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:54:30 -0700
From: Rosy Wolfe rosy@ampr.org
To: Amprnet 44 Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Please let us know if you're coming to Saturday's
    call!
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Hi 44net,
Given how many people have responded to the survey (68!), I want to make
sure that Jitsi can handle the number of people who might show up to our
call on Saturday.
In service of collecting a head count, please let us know if you're planning
to join the call by filling out your name here:
https://www.ampr.org/community-meeting/
Many thanks! If it looks like we're going to exceed the 75 person limit, we
may switch to a Zoom call. In either case, we're planning on recording the
meeting for anyone who can't make it. I'll post information here if anything
changes.
I'm looking forward to e-meeting many of you and am compiling ideas from
your emails and the survey as we speak.
All the best,
Rosy
PS here's the survey link in case you haven't taken it yet: 
https://www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/5789610/ARDC-Grantmaking-Feedback-Survey
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Rosy Wolfe
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 17:01:41 +0000
From: Ruben ON3RVH on3rvh@on3rvh.be
To: AMPRNet working group 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Please let us know if you're coming to Saturday's
    call!
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Rosy,
If I may give a suggestion: have everyone turn off their camera's and things
will go much smoother with Jitsi. Most of the issues come from everyone
sharing their camera and having a smallband internet connection, thus
filling up that pipe with everyone's camera is a bad idea ;)
73
Ruben ON3RVH
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Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 18:55
To: Amprnet 44 Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Cc: Rosy Wolfe rosy@ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Please let us know if you're coming to Saturday's call!
Hi 44net,
Given how many people have responded to the survey (68!), I want to make
sure that Jitsi can handle the number of people who might show up to our
call on Saturday.
In service of collecting a head count, please let us know if you're planning
to join the call by filling out your name here:
https://www.ampr.org/community-meeting/
Many thanks! If it looks like we're going to exceed the 75 person limit, we
may switch to a Zoom call. In either case, we're planning on recording the
meeting for anyone who can't make it. I'll post information here if anything
changes.
I'm looking forward to e-meeting many of you and am compiling ideas from
your emails and the survey as we speak.
All the best,
Rosy
PS here's the survey link in case you haven't taken it yet: 
https://www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/5789610/ARDC-Grantmaking-Feedback-Survey
--
Rosy Wolfe
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 10:17:25 -0700
From: Rosy Wolfe rosy@ampr.org
To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Subject: Re: [44net] Please let us know if you're coming to Saturday's
    call!
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On 10/7/20 10:01 AM, Ruben ON3RVH via 44Net wrote:
...
Rosy,
If I may give a suggestion: have everyone turn off their camera's and
things will go much smoother with Jitsi. Most of the issues come from
everyone sharing their camera and having a smallband internet connection,
thus filling up that pipe with everyone's camera is a bad idea ;)
Copy! The suggestion is most welcome. Thank you, Ruben.
Rosy
Rosy Wolfe
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)
ampr.org
...
-----Original Message-----
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+on3rvh=on3rvh.be@mailman.ampr.org On Behalf Of
Rosy Wolfe via 44Net
...
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 18:55
To: Amprnet 44 Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org
Cc: Rosy Wolfe rosy@ampr.org
Subject: [44net] Please let us know if you're coming to Saturday's call!
Hi 44net,
Given how many people have responded to the survey (68!), I want to make
sure that Jitsi can handle the number of people who might show up to our
call on Saturday.
...
In service of collecting a head count, please let us know if you're
planning to join the call by filling out your name here:
...
https://www.ampr.org/community-meeting/
Many thanks! If it looks like we're going to exceed the 75 person limit,
we may switch to a Zoom call. In either case, we're planning on recording
the meeting for anyone who can't make it. I'll post information here if
anything changes.
...
I'm looking forward to e-meeting many of you and am compiling ideas from
your emails and the survey as we speak.
...
All the best,
Rosy
PS here's the survey link in case you haven't taken it yet:
https://www.mysurveygizmo.com/s3/5789610/ARDC-Grantmaking-Feedback-Survey
--
Rosy Wolfe
Executive Director
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC) ampr.org
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