Well, before I made that list I hoped that it would be much longer... Maybe I made a mistake, it was quick cut-and-paste followed by edit and comm of the list of bgp routed subnets and the routes in my personal gateway. Anyone with a BGP subnet who has a full-featured system as a router should consider to announce the same subnet on the IPIP mesh, I think. (with a tunnel endpoint address outside net-44, certainly outside the subnet) Rob