How about we start a second email list to discuss where to have future discussions?
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Luc Pernot lpernot@magma.ca wrote:
Facebook and else (twitter ...)
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I am subscribed to a number of mailing lists delivered via e-mail. Over the years I've seen numerous lists splinter off to other delivery venues due to some of the subscriber's whims.
Either the original list withered, or the new venues or most aggravating, all of them. One has to wonder if the splintering was part of the cause. A few survived because ways were found to make sure that discussion occurring one place was mirrored everywhere else, so no one missed anything.
I am not on social media. I don't have a smart phone. I have a flip-phone and a laptop.
I've been working with computers since 1969. I've seen a lot of different ways to communicate come and go. The one thing that seems to have lasted is plain old e-mail. That should tell you something.
I heard recently that Yahoo groups is going away. ...Another delivery method with limited longevity. YaHoo groups is where some of the mailing lists splintered to I mentioned earlier.
When mobile devices change format or go away due to the next new thing, then Facebook, Instagram, et.al. could face extinction along with the hardware. E-mail will probably endure.
You want to be on Facebook? Be on Facebook. No problem. Don't compel everyone to go that direction just because it works for you. Ask first. Otherwise, you'll fractionate venues and kill participation
__Reid, WB7CJO__
It is interesting that I set up a group to deal with the opposition to BGP requests. Again the same people who did not want BGP dont want to make any changes to improve how the group works. As far as lists go those that splinter splinter for a reason not just related to the content management. I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement. YahooGroup or some such thing would be better, but if you still have a flip phone and an old laptop clearly stuck in the past. Maybe we should not shutdown USNET or maybe go back to using PINE as the email interface. #changeaverse Not saying facebook is the answer just saying there is a better way that will allow for easier search of archives.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Walter R. Fletcher fletcher@uwyo.edu wrote:
I am subscribed to a number of mailing lists delivered via e-mail. Over the years I've seen numerous lists splinter off to other delivery venues due to some of the subscriber's whims.
Either the original list withered, or the new venues or most aggravating, all of them. One has to wonder if the splintering was part of the cause. A few survived because ways were found to make sure that discussion occurring one place was mirrored everywhere else, so no one missed anything.
I am not on social media. I don't have a smart phone. I have a flip-phone and a laptop.
I've been working with computers since 1969. I've seen a lot of different ways to communicate come and go. The one thing that seems to have lasted is plain old e-mail. That should tell you something.
I heard recently that Yahoo groups is going away. ...Another delivery method with limited longevity. YaHoo groups is where some of the mailing lists splintered to I mentioned earlier.
When mobile devices change format or go away due to the next new thing, then Facebook, Instagram, et.al. could face extinction along with the hardware. E-mail will probably endure.
You want to be on Facebook? Be on Facebook. No problem. Don't compel everyone to go that direction just because it works for you. Ask first. Otherwise, you'll fractionate venues and kill participation
__Reid, WB7CJO__
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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Lin Holcomb LHolcomb@clearqualitygroup.com wrote:
Again the same people who did not want BGP dont want to make any changes to improve how the group works.
I am a BGP user and I prefer email. I've seen enough responses in this thread from other BGP users to spoil your correlation. Please don't make stuff up.
Not saying facebook is the answer just saying there is a better way that will allow for easier search of archives.
I'll have to disagree with you on that. I regularly read 44net email on my phone where the email app performs far better and has far better search capability than the Facebook app. And the best part is that email uses standard protocols, so new MUAs and archive tools can be created if the existing ones don't meet your needs. Facebook doesn't offer anything like that, and as far as I know there's no way to export your group archives in case you want to migrate later.
Tom KD7LXL
No worries does not matter to me. I have archived my old FB group anyway. I would say that email lists are a poor form of communications.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Tom Hayward esarfl@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Lin Holcomb LHolcomb@clearqualitygroup.com wrote:
Again the same people who did not want BGP dont want to make any changes to improve how the group works.
I am a BGP user and I prefer email. I've seen enough responses in this thread from other BGP users to spoil your correlation. Please don't make stuff up.
Not saying facebook is the answer just saying there is a better way that will allow for easier search of archives.
I'll have to disagree with you on that. I regularly read 44net email on my phone where the email app performs far better and has far better search capability than the Facebook app. And the best part is that email uses standard protocols, so new MUAs and archive tools can be created if the existing ones don't meet your needs. Facebook doesn't offer anything like that, and as far as I know there's no way to export your group archives in case you want to migrate later.
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If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
John, Excellent suggestion Lin N4YCI
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:09 PM, K7VE - John k7ve@k7ve.org wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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my two cents...I agree 100%. I use email but I also do facebook and linkedin. having a complete repository makes plenty of sense if you ask me.
73 leon
On 9/11/2017 2:09 PM, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be? - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
doesnt google have a groups option besides google+ ???
Leon
On 9/11/2017 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be?
- Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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Basic works well https://groups.io/static/pricing
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Leon Zetekoff < wa4zlw@backwoodswireless.net> wrote:
doesnt google have a groups option besides google+ ???
Leon
On 9/11/2017 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be? - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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groups.google.com -- I've killed any groups I had there.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Leon Zetekoff < wa4zlw@backwoodswireless.net> wrote:
doesnt google have a groups option besides google+ ???
Leon
On 9/11/2017 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be? - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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why's that john?
On 9/11/2017 2:43 PM, K7VE - John wrote:
groups.google.com -- I've killed any groups I had there.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Leon Zetekoff < wa4zlw@backwoodswireless.net> wrote:
doesnt google have a groups option besides google+ ???
Leon
On 9/11/2017 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be? - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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I have several group.io groups and not one of them costs a subscription fee.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
I wonder what their longevity will be? - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:09:12AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both
and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.
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Yes, they offer a free service. But for the Enterprise product, which has features (including the amount of storage allowed) that we'd probably like to have, they charge $1100 a year, with a 50% discount for non-profits like ARDC. - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:36:28AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
I have several group.io groups and not one of them costs a subscription fee.
Here is my busiest group / with multiple subgroups (a cool feature)
Out of 1GB
Attachments: 1.4MB - 0% of 1GB [View Attachments] Photos: 0B - 0% of 1GB Files: 926B - 0% of 1GB Database Images: 0B - 0% of 1GB Wiki Images: 0B - 0% of 1GB Integrations: 0 out of 5 Integrations
Their system allows starting with basic and upgrade later if needed. So if you think we need more data, that would be the main reason to upgrade - but could be tackled as the group approached 1 GB of storage. (I don't think messages are part of the storage limit, except attachments.)
The wiki is pretty easy to use -- see https://nw-digital-radio.groups.io/g/udrc/wiki/home (which can be public or private).
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
Yes, they offer a free service. But for the Enterprise product, which has features (including the amount of storage allowed) that we'd probably like to have, they charge $1100 a year, with a 50% discount for non-profits like ARDC. - Brian
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:36:28AM -0700, K7VE - John wrote:
I have several group.io groups and not one of them costs a subscription
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On 9/11/17 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
Question, what features do we need? If it's a web interface, Mailman 3 has some add ons that provide this.
I'd say it would behoove us to have an official Facebook page too, just to drive people to this list. Everyone under the age of 25 has a Facebook account, and like it or not it's the best way to reach younger hams.
Actually, the 'kids' don't use Facebook as much, it's viewed as for Gen-X and older.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Bryan Fields Bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:
On 9/11/17 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote:
I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.
Question, what features do we need? If it's a web interface, Mailman 3 has some add ons that provide this.
I'd say it would behoove us to have an official Facebook page too, just to drive people to this list. Everyone under the age of 25 has a Facebook account, and like it or not it's the best way to reach younger hams.
-- Bryan Fields
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On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote:
I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.
I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.
Hey Tony,
Just a question, but why would a web forum be unusable to you? The login part is no problem as far as I can see, there are many password toolkits that'll remember your password and login for all websites (1password, keepass, .. ) But I would like to know why a forum is unusable. There are many on the net, and if set up properly and orderly, you can search through them, post comments/questions in the right place etc
But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam.
Facebook is all good and well (for those that use it), but not suitable to replace a mailinglist like this one imho.
I personally don't do threads in my mailbox. That's just not useable to me. I like my mails sorted on receive date/hour rather than subject. I did try it some years ago, but I kept missing mails and not reading them, so I went back to my normal layout :)
73,
Ruben - ON3RVH
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+on3rvh=on3rvh.be@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: dinsdag 12 september 2017 7:30 To: 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote:
I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.
I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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On 12/09/2017 3:52 PM, Ruben ON3RVH wrote:
Hey Tony,
Just a question, but why would a web forum be unusable to you? The login part is no problem as far as I can see, there are many password toolkits that'll remember your password and login for all websites (1password, keepass, .. ) But I would like to know why a forum is unusable. There are many on the net, and if set up properly and orderly, you can search through them, post comments/questions in the right place etc
The problems start before then. I have a degree of what's known as executive dysfunction. One of the manifestations is I'll eventually forget to log into the forum, and lose track of it altogether, as has happened to 95% or more of the forums I've ever joined. Once I'm on, I find navigation awkward, slow and clumsy. Threading is of little benefit, I do my own threading in my head (highly associative memory), which means reading them is a tiresome process of reading all messages through that slow and clumsy interface. I can read about 2-5 times as many emails in the same time as I can web forum posts in the same time. But the old fashioned bulletin board interfaces (especially QWK offline readers) allows ten times that again. Little wonder I run an old school BBS or two (accessible over the Internet). :)
But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam.
And for me, a much poorer experience.
Facebook is all good and well (for those that use it), but not suitable to replace a mailinglist like this one imho.
I think the mailing list will work better than Facebook for this group, and that's before considering there's a lot who don't want to go near Facebook (understandable). I use it, but don't expect everyone to.
I personally don't do threads in my mailbox. That's just not useable to me. I like my mails sorted on receive date/hour rather than subject. I did try it some years ago, but I kept missing mails and not reading them, so I went back to my normal layout :)
I'm the same, though some systems have screwy dates, so I sometimes sort them by status (unread first). :)
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Ruben ON3RVH on3rvh@on3rvh.be wrote:
But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam.
Here is my experience with groups.io
When a new person signs into the list, you can set it up so they are moderated for their first X number of posts. (You can make the list fully moderated, but that slows the flow.) If I know the poster, I typically take moderation off on their first post, people I don't know, I look at that first post and ofter take off moderation if it looks legitimate. You can always put someone on moderation or block them.
I have had no spam bot activity, I think their anti-spam controls are probably blocking attempts to even subscribe. I have not had a spammer to block as far as I recall.
Groups can be made public or private -- I think public read, subscriber only postings are good. I always make the wiki public.
73,
Ruben - ON3RVH
Web forums are OK if the content can also be delivered by email. The web forum becomes the historical record, the email provides the immediacy for current content.
Having only a web forum means that I have to go 'somewhere else' for my content, which means that I would never see it. Getting it in my inbox (preferable with headers that allow me to reliably folderise the content) is definitely how I prefer to absorb content from groups. If I had to go to a separate web forum for all of the groups that I belong to, I'd never see the content, it's too much trouble.
- Richard, VE7CVS
On 9/11/2017 10:52 PM, Ruben ON3RVH wrote:
Hey Tony,
Just a question, but why would a web forum be unusable to you? The login part is no problem as far as I can see, there are many password toolkits that'll remember your password and login for all websites (1password, keepass, .. ) But I would like to know why a forum is unusable. There are many on the net, and if set up properly and orderly, you can search through them, post comments/questions in the right place etc
But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam.
Facebook is all good and well (for those that use it), but not suitable to replace a mailinglist like this one imho.
I personally don't do threads in my mailbox. That's just not useable to me. I like my mails sorted on receive date/hour rather than subject. I did try it some years ago, but I kept missing mails and not reading them, so I went back to my normal layout :)
73,
Ruben - ON3RVH
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+on3rvh=on3rvh.be@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: dinsdag 12 september 2017 7:30 To: 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group
On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote:
I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.
I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
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On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote:
I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.
I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.
We've trusted in Brian to look after ampr.org for more years than I care to remember.
Show the man some respect for all the effort he's put in, and trust him to deliver an ongoing working solution.
Ray vk2tv
On 12/09/2017 4:09 PM, vk2tv wrote:
We've trusted in Brian to look after ampr.org for more years than I care to remember.
Show the man some respect for all the effort he's put in, and trust him to deliver an ongoing working solution.
I for one vote to remain here on the list under Brian's excellent custodianship. :)
Thank you for the vote of confidence, but although I've been managing the network since the late 80's, I've only been handling the mailing list since late 2012 when it was moved here from cows.net. It was a mailing list on cows.net, but when it was moved to UCSD, the cows.net archives didn't come with it. So UCSD's archives currently only go back to 2012.
My personal archive of the mailing list includes a lot of postings from the cows.net days, going back to 2009. Some day, in my copious free time, I hope to integrate that archive into the main one.
Before cows.net, the list was known as the 'gateways' mailing list (I've forgotten the hosting sitename) but those archives were maintained by a separate ham club elsewhere. They were lost forever when the hard drive they were stored on crashed and it turned out that there was no backup.
The current mailing list archives are backed up nightly to a high-availability redundant fileserver, so it's unlikely THAT will happen again. - Brian
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 08:39:20PM +1000, Tony Langdon wrote:
I for one vote to remain here on the list under Brian's excellent custodianship. :) -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:58 AM, Brian Kantor Brian@ucsd.edu wrote:
Thank you for the vote of confidence, but although I've been managing the network since the late 80's, I've only been handling the mailing list since late 2012 when it was moved here from cows.net. It was a mailing list on cows.net, but when it was moved to UCSD, the cows.net archives didn't come with it. So UCSD's archives currently only go back to 2012.
Yes, Brian is doing a great job. However, if we used groups.io, there could be redundant support staff (e.g. administrators and moderators). Should Brian get a better offer -- there would be people who could take over and not miss a heartbeat.
I had completely forgotten cows.net!
There are multiple was to handle the archives:
1. Put them on a website that google indexes and people can find the old postings that way.
2. Approach groups.io and see if we can find a way to bulk load them.
3. Write a script to individually submit them to the message board.
4. ....
That is, of course, if we did groups.io
On 12/09/17 20:58, Brian Kantor wrote:
although I've been managing the network since the late 80's,
That fits the time frame I was thinking. I was introduced to NOS about 1987 (+/-) by John Tanner, VK2ZXQ (my Linux mentor as well), and I'm sure your name came up in discussions.
Ray vk2tv
I second that :)
Ruben - ON3RVH
On 12 Sep 2017, at 12:40, Tony Langdon vk3jed@vkradio.com wrote:
On 12/09/2017 4:09 PM, vk2tv wrote:
We've trusted in Brian to look after ampr.org for more years than I care to remember.
Show the man some respect for all the effort he's put in, and trust him to deliver an ongoing working solution.
I for one vote to remain here on the list under Brian's excellent custodianship. :)
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
+1
John
EI7IG
On 12/09/17 12:21, Ruben ON3RVH wrote:
I second that :)
Ruben - ON3RVH
On 12 Sep 2017, at 12:40, Tony Langdon vk3jed@vkradio.com wrote:
On 12/09/2017 4:09 PM, vk2tv wrote:
We've trusted in Brian to look after ampr.org for more years than I care to remember.
Show the man some respect for all the effort he's put in, and trust him to deliver an ongoing working solution.
I for one vote to remain here on the list under Brian's excellent custodianship. :)
-- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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Tony,
groups.io doesn't change how you would interact with the list at all. It will send you individual messages or a digest, via email, just like mailman. You can reply to, or initiate a message via email. Your interaction doesn't change at all. The 'web based forum' is just an 'add-on' with a bunch of search and index capability, as well as the additional components such as a wiki, file storage, database. sub-groups, etc.
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:30 PM, Tony Langdon vk3jed@vkradio.com wrote:
On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote:
I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.
I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.
On 13/09/2017 2:53 AM, K7VE - John wrote:
Tony,
groups.io doesn't change how you would interact with the list at all. It will send you individual messages or a digest, via email, just like mailman. You can reply to, or initiate a message via email. Your interaction doesn't change at all. The 'web based forum' is just an 'add-on' with a bunch of search and index capability, as well as the additional components such as a wiki, file storage, database. sub-groups, etc.
Agree. I wasn't referring to groups.io at all, that is a great service, and I am on a few groups there, including at least one from NW Digital Radio. I'm not sure I see a need to move though, but if for some reason, Brian decided not to host the list, groups.io would be my first port of call. My reference to "web forum" was more towards systems like phpBB, Simple Machines, vBulletin, etc, which ONLY have web based interfaces.
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:49:45AM +1000, Tony Langdon wrote:
I'm not sure I see a need to move [...]
Well, the situation is that the list has to move. The machine it's currently hosted on, hamradio.ucsd.edu, is being retired by the UCSD ham radio club in a few weeks, tentatively around Halloween.
At the moment, my inclination is to quickly move the 44net list from 'hamradio.ucsd.edu' to 'mailman.ampr.org' (currently an alias for amprgw) and look into the groups.io transition later at a more leisurely and thorough pace as I have time. - Brian
Brian,
Do you have any data on how much disk storage and typical bandwidth the list/archive currently uses up?
Tony
On Sep 12, 2017, at 16:32, Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:49:45AM +1000, Tony Langdon wrote: I'm not sure I see a need to move [...]
Well, the situation is that the list has to move. The machine it's currently hosted on, hamradio.ucsd.edu, is being retired by the UCSD ham radio club in a few weeks, tentatively around Halloween.
At the moment, my inclination is to quickly move the 44net list from 'hamradio.ucsd.edu' to 'mailman.ampr.org' (currently an alias for amprgw) and look into the groups.io transition later at a more leisurely and thorough pace as I have time.
- Brian
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
Bandwidth, no data, but it's likely low. Email is a low-bandwidth application. There are about 700 subscribers.
The entire Mailman installation, including the contents of the archive, is small, about 200 MB. Most of that is the archive.
You could probably host the whole thing on a Raspberry Pi with a USB stick, but I wouldn't want to. - Brian
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 06:02:19PM -1000, Antonio Querubin wrote:
Brian,
Do you have any data on how much disk storage and typical bandwidth the list/archive currently uses up?
Tony
I agree that groups.io is an acceptable alternative (for the same reasons).
- Richard
On 9/12/2017 6:49 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:
Agree. I wasn't referring to groups.io at all, that is a great service, and I am on a few groups there, including at least one from NW Digital Radio. I'm not sure I see a need to move though, but if for some reason, Brian decided not to host the list, groups.io would be my first port of call. My reference to "web forum" was more towards systems like phpBB, Simple Machines, vBulletin, etc, which ONLY have web based interfaces.
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