I am subscribed to a number of mailing lists delivered via e-mail. Over the years I've seen numerous lists splinter off to other delivery venues due to some of the subscriber's whims. Either the original list withered, or the new venues or most aggravating, all of them. One has to wonder if the splintering was part of the cause. A few survived because ways were found to make sure that discussion occurring one place was mirrored everywhere else, so no one missed anything. I am not on social media. I don't have a smart phone. I have a flip-phone and a laptop. I've been working with computers since 1969. I've seen a lot of different ways to communicate come and go. The one thing that seems to have lasted is plain old e-mail. That should tell you something. I heard recently that Yahoo groups is going away. ...Another delivery method with limited longevity. YaHoo groups is where some of the mailing lists splintered to I mentioned earlier. When mobile devices change format or go away due to the next new thing, then Facebook, Instagram, et.al. could face extinction along with the hardware. E-mail will probably endure. You want to be on Facebook? Be on Facebook. No problem. Don't compel everyone to go that direction just because it works for you. Ask first. Otherwise, you'll fractionate venues and kill participation __Reid, WB7CJO__ _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Lin Holcomb <LHolcomb(a)clearqualitygroup.com> wrote: I am a BGP user and I prefer email. I've seen enough responses in this thread from other BGP users to spoil your correlation. Please don't make stuff up. I'll have to disagree with you on that. I regularly read 44net email on my phone where the email app performs far better and has far better search capability than the Facebook app. And the best part is that email uses standard protocols, so new MUAs and archive tools can be created if the existing ones don't meet your needs. Facebook doesn't offer anything like that, and as far as I know there's no way to export your group archives in case you want to migrate later. Tom KD7LXL _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net

If for any reason the list was moved to a platform that provides both email and web interface, I would suggest groups.io -- which incidentally also provides wiki, files, database, and integration to github for code/development projects.

doesnt google have a groups option besides google+ ??? Leon On 9/11/2017 2:32 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net

groups.google.com -- I've killed any groups I had there. On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Leon Zetekoff < wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net&gt; wrote:

I have several group.io groups and not one of them costs a subscription fee.

I was unaware of groups.io. Porting the mailing list and archives to it would be painful but might be worthwhile. The $550/year cost is a real impediment. But worth considering.

I would say that web based forum would be a significant improvement.

Hey Tony, Just a question, but why would a web forum be unusable to you? The login part is no problem as far as I can see, there are many password toolkits that'll remember your password and login for all websites (1password, keepass, .. ) But I would like to know why a forum is unusable. There are many on the net, and if set up properly and orderly, you can search through them, post comments/questions in the right place etc

But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam.

Facebook is all good and well (for those that use it), but not suitable to replace a mailinglist like this one imho.

I personally don't do threads in my mailbox. That's just not useable to me. I like my mails sorted on receive date/hour rather than subject. I did try it some years ago, but I kept missing mails and not reading them, so I went back to my normal layout :)

Hey Tony, Just a question, but why would a web forum be unusable to you? The login part is no problem as far as I can see, there are many password toolkits that'll remember your password and login for all websites (1password, keepass, .. ) But I would like to know why a forum is unusable. There are many on the net, and if set up properly and orderly, you can search through them, post comments/questions in the right place etc But it would mean more overhead for the maintainer as there's an application to support and it is likely to get a lot of attention from spammers who try to use the forum for their spam. Facebook is all good and well (for those that use it), but not suitable to replace a mailinglist like this one imho. I personally don't do threads in my mailbox. That's just not useable to me. I like my mails sorted on receive date/hour rather than subject. I did try it some years ago, but I kept missing mails and not reading them, so I went back to my normal layout :) 73, Ruben - ON3RVH -----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+on3rvh=on3rvh.be@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: dinsdag 12 september 2017 7:30 To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [44net] New Facebook Group On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote: I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!).  Best compromise that I can see is to remain here. -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net

We've trusted in Brian to look after ampr.org for more years than I care to remember. Show the man some respect for all the effort he's put in, and trust him to deliver an ongoing working solution.

Thank you for the vote of confidence, but although I've been managing the network since the late 80's, I've only been handling the mailing list since late 2012 when it was moved here from cows.net. It was a mailing list on cows.net, but when it was moved to UCSD, the cows.net archives didn't come with it. So UCSD's archives currently only go back to 2012.

On 12 Sep 2017, at 12:40, Tony Langdon &lt;vk3jed(a)vkradio.com&gt; wrote: I for one vote to remain here on the list under Brian's excellent custodianship. :) -- 73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL http://vkradio.com _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net

On 12/09/2017 3:36 AM, Lin Holcomb wrote: I disagree, go to a web forum and the group becomes all but unusable for me (assuming I remember to log in, in the first place!). Best compromise that I can see is to remain here.

I'm not sure I see a need to move [...]

Brian, Do you have any data on how much disk storage and typical bandwidth the list/archive currently uses up? Tony