Looks transparent to me. $10k to fund travel assistance for students and presenters to the digital conference. The DCC is In September. Seems to me like a small disbursement has been made in a timely manner to help some folks get to the conference. What’s the big deal over this? Would you prefer to have a year long effort and 1000 pages of policy written before the first dollar is distributed? Let’s be practical people. This is a hobby. Let’s assume that people are good, trustworthy and reasonable until such time as they let us down. Innocent til proven guilty. On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 6:01 PM Darcy Buskermolen via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote: -- Sent from mobile.

Hi gents, I read the list with surprise because I’m reading tough words. Trying to be positive, I don’t dare to say this is a fraud (or not, or this is another type of bad behaviour or felony) but obviously there’s people in this list that warned in advance this could happen and seems (for what I can see in the website) it happened. But, let’s be practical, more analytical and less visceral: I was not part of this awesome hobby when some folks reserved the address space 44/8. Probably much of you neither. I read in this list the 44/8 address reservation was done, long time ago when the request implied no cost, in pos of the entire ham community, not for personal or group use in any specific area of the world. I read in this list that, for better management, a non-profit organisation was created. You should be on agreement with the all the above demonstrate correctness. With the above clarified, personally speaking, my only concern (if I must have one) is the transparency, in general terms. If, and maybe this is a big “if” nowadays, the 44/8 address space was reserved in pos of the entire ham radio community then the general expectancy would be that no decision altering the 44/8 block space would be taken by any party without community approval, specially nowadays, as we all know an IP address is like gold. Nonetheless, we discovered recently that the IP address space was touched, was divided into smaller blocks, and a portion of the original address space was sold to a major Internet company for a nice sum. At this point, I think we should forget about clumsy justifications. What is done is done. Now, let’s keep on trying being practical again, because sometimes we tend to forget that: Directive roles are necessary because an entire group cannot put voice to all decisions at the same time and await a permanent agreement. Simply this is an illusion. Transcendental decisions sometimes are taken without considering the community and this can be or can’t be correct. This will depend much on the organisation and their collaboration model inside. So, with that said: I don’t have any concern, and I think we shouldn’t have it as a group, in regard to how AMPR could handle the budget obtained from breaking up the 44/8 IP address space block. It’s not important it the first grant, that was expected to generate rumours, is related to granting anyone in a specific part of the world some money to attend whatever event meanwhile: the deciders on this matters are well known, so we can ask them at some point for any decision taken. the deciders understand they are subject to public scrutiny. the criteria to get ham radio projects or ham events funded are well known and publicly available. anyone in the ham radio community can concur, without exceptions, worldwide. If this can be accomplished without much havoc, then, there’s not reason to criticise the management. Otherwise, if this is not done (there’s not need to adhere strictly to my words) then we all will know the first three bullet points would be a lie in the face of all of us as as community and we all would know who’s doing what and know how to progress in the future, either individually or as a part of a community. The only thing we shouldn’t accept is ulterior motives. My 2cent. Best regards, Vy73 de EA1HET, Jonathan 0x539C9FAF Sent from my tablet/mobile. Please, excuse my brevity and the presence of typos.

Pedja, There are so few purchasers for an IP Block of this size, it would be pointless to have a public sale. The largest consumers of legacy IPv4 address space are hosting/cloud companies. Only the top 3 largest cloud companies would have an appetite for a large IP Block like this, and of those 3 companies, one is substantially larger than the other two. Selling this off as a /24 at a time would be difficult, onerous, and bring in drips and dribbles of non-material amounts of money for this underutilized asset. Selling it as one large chunk is appropriate for this type of resource. It's also not a unique transaction, and there are benchmarks for this sort of transaction. Such as: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3191503/mit-selling-8-million-coveted-… Randy, W3RWN / VE3RWN On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 10:59 AM Pedja YT9TP via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote:

Wrong On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 11:52 AM K7VE - John via 44Net < 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote:

I guess the argument here is: if an individual went to “IANA” and asked for the /8 for themselves, would they get it? They got it to be used by the community. Not by them personally. So equally, they could not sell it?

+1 On Aug 7, 2019, at 05:53, Dave Gingrich via 44Net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org&gt; wrote:

The point is, the address block was privately held. The owner(s) *could* have sold the whole thing and bought a very nice boat with the proceeds. I am really glad I was not not faced with such a dilemma. We are all the beneficiaries of their good will. -k9dc