On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:00 AM, 44net-request@hamradio.ucsd.edu wrote:
What are you talking about? Who said anything about professionals, and why did you bring it up? 44net is for ham radio networks.
A "Cell Site", for the uninformed, is a "Cellular Phone site". What he appears to have been working on, in hindsight, appears to be commonly referred to as an "Access Point", or in ham-radio speak, a "Node".
A genuine misunderstanding arising from the incorrect placement of a technical term, however I do regret that offence was taken(sic). Reminder to use the correct terminology, and to filter for misunderstandings before unleashing the offence.
I don't see how this has any relation to politics. Bart wants to identify ISPs that may not work well with 44net due to blocking tunneling protocols. GRE is just an example, but an ISP could easily block IPIP, too.
It would be really helpful to have some software that would tell you "You're ISP is blocking it" instead of just emailing the 44net list with "Why don't my tunnels route traffic?"
Point taken and conceded.
Best way to ask ISPs what they filter, is to simply ASK them. Why would you connect with some ISP and then spend months trying to debug something, when you could simply ASK them beforehand? Perhaps you like your head down such rabbitholes? I do not - I want to plug it in and it works.
Steve,
Unfortunately, you are mistaken. Common parlance may use the term "Cell" in reference to cellular telephones, but the term "Cellular" telephone refers to a system of sites that provide a "cell" of coverage. In the case of HamWAN, we use three 120 degree sectors to fill the 360 degree coverage for our cell sites, and ensure that we orient the sectors so that we can re-use the limited frequencies at each site. Just like each site in a cellular telephone network, a phone can connect to any of which, and be routed through, and HamWAN does the same. Client modems will scan for the three frequencies in use by the three sectors, and connect to whichever cell site is available. (Generally one you have pointed your antenna at.)
The wikipedia article on this references cellular networks having each cell using different frequencies, however, as noted above, HamWAN does this by coordinating the direction of antennas and the frequencies they use. Whereas needing different frequencies does become a requirement if you use omnidirectional antennas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_network
Nigel K7NVH
On May 4, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Steve Wright stevewrightnz@gmail.com wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 7:00 AM, 44net-request@hamradio.ucsd.edu wrote:
What are you talking about? Who said anything about professionals, and why did you bring it up? 44net is for ham radio networks.
A "Cell Site", for the uninformed, is a "Cellular Phone site". What he appears to have been working on, in hindsight, appears to be commonly referred to as an "Access Point", or in ham-radio speak, a "Node".
A genuine misunderstanding arising from the incorrect placement of a technical term, however I do regret that offence was taken(sic). Reminder to use the correct terminology, and to filter for misunderstandings before unleashing the offence.
I don't see how this has any relation to politics. Bart wants to identify ISPs that may not work well with 44net due to blocking tunneling protocols. GRE is just an example, but an ISP could easily block IPIP, too.
It would be really helpful to have some software that would tell you "You're ISP is blocking it" instead of just emailing the 44net list with "Why don't my tunnels route traffic?"
Point taken and conceded.
Best way to ask ISPs what they filter, is to simply ASK them. Why would you connect with some ISP and then spend months trying to debug something, when you could simply ASK them beforehand? Perhaps you like your head down such rabbitholes? I do not - I want to plug it in and it works.
On 5/4/2014 3:05 PM, Nigel Vander Houwen wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Steve,
Unfortunately, you are mistaken. Common parlance may use the term "Cell" in reference to cellular telephones, but the term "Cellular" telephone refers to a system of sites that provide a "cell" of coverage.
Yep! But ole Steve would never let the facts get in the way of a good rant! :)
Far be it for Steve Write, a newcomer to the field of packet radio, who hasn't even successfully built and connected his own TCP/IP node, to embarrass himself on a mailing list by correcting the terminology used by someone with more technical experience in the field than he. No, that wouldn't be right would it? After all he hasn't even finished reading all those unwritten Wiki's - and corrected them, loudly and at great personal sacrifice - since newcomers are a fount of knowledge and wisdom about the errors and omissions in the documentation by those who have gone before them.
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