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On 16 Apr 2019, 22:32, at 22:32, Marc Williams monsieurmarc@btinternet.com wrote:

Hi Chris,

Marius has kindly taken care of it for me.

Many thanks for responding Marc

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Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for 44.131.192.128 All help appreciated.

Regards Marc (2W0PNT)

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On 16 Apr 2019, 22:28, at 22:28, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:

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Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

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On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net

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Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for

44.131.192.128

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All help appreciated.

Regards Marc (2W0PNT)

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So whilst I’m making changes, I have been asked several times to make coordinators contact details available.

Currently every network has the callsign of the coordinator next to it, but I guess this is not enough.

Would any coordinator object if I made their name and email address available to logged in users?

Thanks, Chris

On 17 Apr 2019, at 11:51, Matt Dean matt@mattdean.ca wrote:

I'm looking for the same but for the Canadian networks. I thought the "contact" option on the website would do it, but apparently not.

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 5:35 PM Marc Williams via 44Net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

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On 16 Apr 2019, 22:32, at 22:32, Marc Williams < monsieurmarc@btinternet.com> wrote:

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Hi Chris,

Marius has kindly taken care of it for me.

Many thanks for responding Marc

⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​On 16 Apr 2019, at 22:28, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:

Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for 44.131.192.128 All help appreciated.

Regards Marc (2W0PNT)

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On 16 Apr 2019, 22:28, at 22:28, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:

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Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

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On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net

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Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for

44.131.192.128

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All help appreciated.

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Gdpr is also such a pain in the *** that it does not matter where the website 'lives' or who made it to apply or not..

But my personal opinion is to make it available, if it benefits all of us, I am pro. I've had multiple issues in the past getting in contact with a coordinator that now that I am part of a group of coordinators for our region that I personally approve of our contact details being made available for those logged in.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/internet-telecoms/data-prote...

73,

Ruben - ON3RVH

-----Original Message----- From: 44Net 44net-bounces+on3rvh=on3rvh.be@mailman.ampr.org On Behalf Of Brian Kantor Sent: woensdag 17 april 2019 13:21 To: AMPRNet working group 44net@mailman.ampr.org Subject: Re: [44net] DNS

Chris,

As I mentioned in the past, I can't pretend to be an expert on this, but since you and the portal are in the UK, would the GDPR affect this decision? Or is that one of the many items that Brexit makes indeterminate? - Brian

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:16:17PM +0100, G1FEF via 44Net wrote:

So whilst I’m making changes, I have been asked several times to make coordinators contact details available.

Currently every network has the callsign of the coordinator next to it, but I guess this is not enough.

Would any coordinator object if I made their name and email address available to logged in users?

Thanks, Chris

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You could do that, or you could have clicking on the coordinator's callsign bring up a 'contact me' page in which a message could be composed and sent to the coordinator without revealing either his name or email address. The latter would get around any privacy worries, I would think. It would also keep some bad person from establishing a login to the portal (not hard to do!) and then scraping all the email addresses to build a spam list. - Brian

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:51:44PM +0100, G1FEF wrote:

My (non expert, but with some experience) understanding is that so long as the person agrees to their details being made available, i.e. they “opt in” then it is fine.

I guess to ensure compliance then I can introduce a flag in the coordinators profile that indicates their agreement to displaying their name and email to logged in users. This will mean that coordinators will have to login and tick the box before their details are made available, but this will be a one-off action so not too onerous.

Chris

Ok, I have added a link to the callsign displayed on the right of each country / region on the “Networks” page.

Click on the link and you can send a message to the owner of the network.

Let's see how this goes. Any feedback welcome.

Regards, Chris

On 17 Apr 2019, at 13:07, Brian Kantor Brian@bkantor.net wrote:

You could do that, or you could have clicking on the coordinator's callsign bring up a 'contact me' page in which a message could be composed and sent to the coordinator without revealing either his name or email address. The latter would get around any privacy worries, I would think. It would also keep some bad person from establishing a login to the portal (not hard to do!) and then scraping all the email addresses to build a spam list.

• Brian

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:51:44PM +0100, G1FEF wrote:

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My (non expert, but with some experience) understanding is that so long as the person agrees to their details being made available, i.e. they “opt in” then it is fine.

I guess to ensure compliance then I can introduce a flag in the coordinators profile that indicates their agreement to displaying their name and email to logged in users. This will mean that coordinators will have to login and tick the box before their details are made available, but this will be a one-off action so not too onerous.

Chris

Thanks Chris tested and worked fine 73 de Paul

On 17/04/2019 15:06, G1FEF via 44Net wrote:

Ok, I have added a link to the callsign displayed on the right of each country / region on the “Networks” page.

Click on the link and you can send a message to the owner of the network.

Let's see how this goes. Any feedback welcome.

Regards, Chris

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On 17 Apr 2019, at 13:07, Brian Kantor Brian@bkantor.net wrote:

You could do that, or you could have clicking on the coordinator's callsign bring up a 'contact me' page in which a message could be composed and sent to the coordinator without revealing either his name or email address. The latter would get around any privacy worries, I would think. It would also keep some bad person from establishing a login to the portal (not hard to do!) and then scraping all the email addresses to build a spam list.

• Brian

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:51:44PM +0100, G1FEF wrote:

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My (non expert, but with some experience) understanding is that so long as the person agrees to their details being made available, i.e. they “opt in” then it is fine.

I guess to ensure compliance then I can introduce a flag in the coordinators profile that indicates their agreement to displaying their name and email to logged in users. This will mean that coordinators will have to login and tick the box before their details are made available, but this will be a one-off action so not too onerous.

Chris

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On 17.04.2019. 16:06, G1FEF via 44Net wrote:

Ok, I have added a link to the callsign displayed on the right of each country / region on the “Networks” page.

Click on the link and you can send a message to the owner of the network.

Let's see how this goes. Any feedback welcome.

This is very good.

I also noticed that in IP allocations / Details of allocation, email address is openly displayed. Link to this email form should be presented instead (and anywhere on site where there is need to provide email contact).

Example: https://portal.ampr.org/coord_ip.php?a=editNetwork&id=696

On 17/04/19 22:07, Brian Kantor wrote:

You could do that, or you could have clicking on the coordinator's callsign bring up a 'contact me' page in which a message could be composed and sent to the coordinator without revealing either his name or email address. The latter would get around any privacy worries, I would think. It would also keep some bad person from establishing a login to the portal (not hard to do!) and then scraping all the email addresses to build a spam list.

• Brian

May also want to rate limit postings from any single IP, so bots or even overzealous hams don't use the facility as a means of sending spam or announcements (it has happened before elsewhere!).  As low as 1 - 3 posts per day to anyone from any single IP would be enough, especially if an in progress query goes to email.

This idea is very similar to the IRLP "ask a question" feature for every node on their status page and it works well there.

Okay we me Chris de Paul g4apl

On 17/04/2019 12:16, G1FEF via 44Net wrote:

So whilst I’m making changes, I have been asked several times to make coordinators contact details available.

Currently every network has the callsign of the coordinator next to it, but I guess this is not enough.

Would any coordinator object if I made their name and email address available to logged in users?

Thanks, Chris

Ok for me. Maybe make it an option in/out on the coordinator's account page. Maybe with the ability to set different email address or a personal URL to a site for the coordinator's contact.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 04:18 G1FEF via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

So whilst I’m making changes, I have been asked several times to make coordinators contact details available.

Currently every network has the callsign of the coordinator next to it, but I guess this is not enough.

Would any coordinator object if I made their name and email address available to logged in users?

Thanks, Chris

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On 17 Apr 2019, at 11:51, Matt Dean matt@mattdean.ca wrote:

I'm looking for the same but for the Canadian networks. I thought the "contact" option on the website would do it, but apparently not.

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*MCSA: Security, RAC CEC, Dipl. Computer Systems Tech, Cert Information Security & Computer Forensics, Cert Emergency Management**VE3MAT*

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On 16 Apr 2019, 22:32, at 22:32, Marc Williams < monsieurmarc@btinternet.com> wrote:

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Hi Chris,

Marius has kindly taken care of it for me.

Many thanks for responding Marc

⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​On 16 Apr 2019, at 22:28, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:

Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for 44.131.192.128 All help appreciated.

Regards Marc (2W0PNT)

44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

On 16 Apr 2019, 22:28, at 22:28, Chris chris@g1fef.co.uk wrote:

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Hi Marc,

All DNS requests should be directed at your local coordinator. In your case that would be me. Contact me off list with the specifics.

Regards Chris

...

On 16 Apr 2019, at 21:18, Marc Williams via 44Net

44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

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Hi all,

Who do I contact these days about getting a dns entry for

44.131.192.128

...

All help appreciated.

Regards Marc (2W0PNT)

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:16:17 +0100, G1FEF via 44Net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:

So whilst I’m making changes, I have been asked several times to make coordinators contact details available.

Currently every network has the callsign of the coordinator next to it, but I guess this is not enough.

Would any coordinator object if I made their name and email address available to logged in users?

Thanks, Chris

I have no objection and I think the opt-in checkbox is probably the best idea, given the EU privacy laws. AFAIK coordinator emails and names are already published by virtue of Brian's coordinator list that has been available for decades. I don't understand why any coordinator could object to publication of their email address since public callsign databases are available and even if only the callsign was published on the portal a lookup will yield their physical address, which is public by law. I've only ever received one snail mail coordination request.