I think original routing methods are not easy to use and have drawbacks :
- eBGP is not available to end-users, or even to small teams or repeater
operators. It requires network skills, and access to telecom operator data centers.
I think end-users or teams should not try to use eBGP unless they want to do it as another learning project as part of their AMPRnet gateway.
Announcing your AMPRnet allocation on internet is simply a matter of telling your colocation/VPS hosting company that you have portable address space that you want to announce on internet and route that to your server or router. That is a standard change in their portfolio, they do that for lots of other customers and for them it is a simple matter of configuration in their existing network. They know how to do it and they already monitor it.
When you do it yourself, you will have to get an AS, peering, setup your router, cope with the vast amount of routes and the processing and storage they require, etc. Not something to embark on lightly, and usually not necessary at all.
Le 20/04/2018 à 13:44, Rob Janssen a écrit :
Announcing your AMPRnet allocation on internet is simply a matter of telling your colocation/VPS hosting company that you have portable address space that you want to announce on internet and route that to your server or router. That is a standard change in their portfolio, they do that for lots of other customers and for them it is a simple matter of configuration in their existing network. They know how to do it and they already monitor it.
But this option is not always available in France. Several big providers do not offer this option at all. And for those who do, it's expensive. The cheapest I found gives a discount of 50% for hams, but it still costs $80/month ! That's why a standalone D-Star or DMR repeater sysop can't afford that.
That's the reason why a regional or National BGP platform with ressource sharing seems to be a good idea to me. Standalone users or sysops would just have to reach their closest plateform via VPNs.
One option is to have your address space announced by a VPS provider with a datacenter geographically close by and tunnel the addresses back to the router on your mountaintop site. I've done this in the past, before I had a colo provider able to announce addresses directly for me, and it worked quite well.
Once such company who does this is Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/).%C2%A0 They have a datacenter in Paris and will do BGP announcements on their basic VPS plans (which start at $5USD/mo.)
Chris
On 4/20/2018 5:31 AM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Le 20/04/2018 à 13:44, Rob Janssen a écrit :
Announcing your AMPRnet allocation on internet is simply a matter of telling your colocation/VPS hosting company that you have portable address space that you want to announce on internet and route that to your server or router. That is a standard change in their portfolio, they do that for lots of other customers and for them it is a simple matter of configuration in their existing network. They know how to do it and they already monitor it.
But this option is not always available in France. Several big providers do not offer this option at all. And for those who do, it's expensive. The cheapest I found gives a discount of 50% for hams, but it still costs $80/month ! That's why a standalone D-Star or DMR repeater sysop can't afford that.
That's the reason why a regional or National BGP platform with ressource sharing seems to be a good idea to me. Standalone users or sysops would just have to reach their closest plateform via VPNs.
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Le 20/04/2018 à 16:19, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin a écrit :
Once such company who does this is Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/).%C2%A0 They have a datacenter in Paris and will do BGP announcements on their basic VPS plans (which start at $5USD/mo.)
Thank you ! I also started with a $5/month tiny server, but in another company, which does not offer BGP at all. $5 for a VPS with BGP announcement and a VPN tunnel, that's perfect ! I'll check that next Monday.
This is far more cheaper than our previous price of $80/month (for a physical server, which can host several VMs, but we do not really need them; we can host as many VMs as we need locally)
73 de TK1BI
No problem,
I've been happy with them so far. Their interface for BGP requests is pretty nice too and they have a mostly automated system of approving LOAs.
Cheers, Chris VE7ALB
On 4/20/2018 12:35 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Le 20/04/2018 à 16:19, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin a écrit :
Once such company who does this is Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/).%C2%A0 They have a datacenter in Paris and will do BGP announcements on their basic VPS plans (which start at $5USD/mo.)
Thank you ! I also started with a $5/month tiny server, but in another company, which does not offer BGP at all. $5 for a VPS with BGP announcement and a VPN tunnel, that's perfect ! I'll check that next Monday.
This is far more cheaper than our previous price of $80/month (for a physical server, which can host several VMs, but we do not really need them; we can host as many VMs as we need locally)
73 de TK1BI
This would be my first time working with a provider where it would be economical enough to BGP announce -- so excuse what I am sure is a totally noob question -- but I assume you need a /24 for them to announce not something smaller like a /28?
Shawn Garringer (sgarringer@gmail.com)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin < christopher@ve7alb.ca> wrote:
No problem,
I've been happy with them so far. Their interface for BGP requests is pretty nice too and they have a mostly automated system of approving LOAs.
Cheers, Chris VE7ALB
On 4/20/2018 12:35 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Le 20/04/2018 à 16:19, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin a écrit :
Once such company who does this is Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/). They have a datacenter in Paris and will do BGP announcements on their basic VPS plans (which start at $5USD/mo.)
Thank you ! I also started with a $5/month tiny server, but in another company, which does not offer BGP at all. $5 for a VPS with BGP announcement and a VPN tunnel, that's perfect ! I'll check that next Monday.
This is far more cheaper than our previous price of $80/month (for a physical server, which can host several VMs, but we do not really need them; we can host as many VMs as we need locally)
73 de TK1BI
Correct, a /24 is the minimum required to announce via BGP and have it be accepted to the Internet routing table
On 4/20/2018 1:50 PM, Shawn Garringer wrote:
This would be my first time working with a provider where it would be economical enough to BGP announce -- so excuse what I am sure is a totally noob question -- but I assume you need a /24 for them to announce not something smaller like a /28?
Shawn Garringer (sgarringer@gmail.com)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin < christopher@ve7alb.ca> wrote:
No problem,
I've been happy with them so far. Their interface for BGP requests is pretty nice too and they have a mostly automated system of approving LOAs.
Cheers, Chris VE7ALB
On 4/20/2018 12:35 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Le 20/04/2018 à 16:19, Christopher S. Munz-Michielin a écrit :
Once such company who does this is Vultr (https://www.vultr.com/). They have a datacenter in Paris and will do BGP announcements on their basic VPS plans (which start at $5USD/mo.)
Thank you ! I also started with a $5/month tiny server, but in another company, which does not offer BGP at all. $5 for a VPS with BGP announcement and a VPN tunnel, that's perfect ! I'll check that next Monday.
This is far more cheaper than our previous price of $80/month (for a physical server, which can host several VMs, but we do not really need them; we can host as many VMs as we need locally)
73 de TK1BI