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Brian Kantor

25 Apr 2018 25 Apr '18

1:33 p.m.

Although not directly related to AMPRNet, I found this article quite interesting: http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-peo… - Brian

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n6mef＠mefox.org

25 Apr 25 Apr

3:38 p.m.

"from the people who built it". Really? Gee, I don't remember any of those names back in the early 80s (except for Stallman, but Emacs is not the Internet). Isn't it just like the self-involved social media people to apologize for building something they didn't build? Let them apologize for their own silly apps, including the intrusion into people's privacy, the Orwellian control and censorship of opinions and points of view, and the wasteland of trash they have become. But the Internet itself and the people who built it have nothing to apologize for. The incredible research, legitimate commerce, and critical communications it enables is like nothing the world has ever seen! Michael N6MEF -----Original Message----- From: 44Net <44net-bounces+n6mef=mefox.org(a)mailman.ampr.org> On Behalf Of Brian Kantor Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 5:34 AM To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org Subject: [44net] An apology for the Internet from the people who built it Although not directly related to AMPRNet, I found this article quite interesting: http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-peop le-who-built-it.html - Brian _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

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Chaplain Dave Sparks

4 p.m.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:38 AM, <n6mef(a)mefox.org> wrote: "from the people who built it". Really? Gee, I don't remember any of those

names back in the early 80s (except for Stallman, but Emacs is not the Internet). Isn't it just like the self-involved social media people to apologize for building something they didn't build? Let them apologize for their own silly apps, including the intrusion into people's privacy, the Orwellian control and censorship of opinions and points of view, and the wasteland of trash they have become. But the Internet itself and the people who built it have nothing to apologize for. The incredible research, legitimate commerce, and critical communications it enables is like nothing the world has ever seen! Michael N6MEF AlGore didn't weigh in? HIHI

-- Chaplain Dave Sparks - Callsign: AF6AS

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Michael Fox - N6MEF

4:43 p.m.

HA! I almost added something about Al Gore, but decided to hold off. Funny story: I was invited to interview for an executive position at Apple. I wasn't interested, but went anyway, just to see. One of the observations from the interviewers was that I had been involved in Internet engineering a long time. My response: "yes, since about 10 years before Al Gore invented it." For some reason, they didn't laugh. I found out later that Al Gore was on their board. Oh, well. Sometimes I say things just to amuse myself! Michael N6MEF

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AlGore didn't weigh in? HIHI

-- Chaplain Dave Sparks - Callsign: AF6AS

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David Ranch

11:18 p.m.

+1 Michael Facebook, Apple, and the others named in that article below are NOT architects of the Internet. These people and corporations are simply *users* of the Internet that created compelling uses of it for a large swath of people. The more appropriate name of the article should be "An apology for the Internet from Social media that twisted it". The choices these companies made in developing their products to make them addictive, abusive, etc. is not the "Internet's" fault. It's their own. People have choices and they can either choose to be bound to social media sites like this or they can choose to spend their time some other, more constructive ways. :-) Yes, I realize that addiction of any kind isn't necessarily a choice for some but to blame "the Internet" for their problems is wrong. A slightly more accurate point would be to blame social media sites. --David KI6ZHD The list of so-called Internet architects: -- Jaron Lanier, virtual-reality pioneer. Founded first company to sell VR goggles; worked at Atari and Microsoft. Antonio García Martínez, ad-tech entrepreneur. Helped create Facebook’s ad machine. Ellen Pao, former CEO of Reddit. Filed major gender-discrimination lawsuit against VC firm Kleiner Perkins. Can Duruk, programmer and tech writer. Served as project lead at Uber. Kate Losse, Facebook employee No. 51. Served as Mark Zuckerberg’s speechwriter. Tristan Harris, product designer. Wrote internal Google presentation about addictive and unethical design. Rich “Lowtax” Kyanka, entrepreneur who founded influential message board Something Awful. Ethan Zuckerman, MIT media scholar. Invented the pop-up ad. Dan McComas, former product chief at Reddit. Founded community-based platform Imzy. Sandy Parakilas, product manager at Uber. Ran privacy compliance for Facebook apps. Guillaume Chaslot, AI researcher. Helped develop YouTube’s algorithmic recommendation system. Roger McNamee, VC investor. Introduced Mark Zuckerberg to Sheryl Sandberg. Richard Stallman, MIT programmer. Created legendary software GNU and Emacs. --

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Loren M. Lang

11:35 p.m.

Yeah, when I saw the title of the article, I was expecting to see Vint Cerf apologizing for not making encryption mandatory in TCP/IP, not Jaron whoever on virtual reality. On Apr 25, 2018 07:39, <n6mef(a)mefox.org> wrote: "from the people who built it". Really? Gee, I don't remember any of those names back in the early 80s (except for Stallman, but Emacs is not the Internet). Isn't it just like the self-involved social media people to apologize for building something they didn't build? Let them apologize for their own silly apps, including the intrusion into people's privacy, the Orwellian control and censorship of opinions and points of view, and the wasteland of trash they have become. But the Internet itself and the people who built it have nothing to apologize for. The incredible research, legitimate commerce, and critical communications it enables is like nothing the world has ever seen! Michael N6MEF -----Original Message----- From: 44Net <44net-bounces+n6mef=mefox.org(a)mailman.ampr.org> On Behalf Of Brian Kantor Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 5:34 AM To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org Subject: [44net] An apology for the Internet from the people who built it Although not directly related to AMPRNet, I found this article quite interesting: http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-peop le-who-built-it.html <http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-people-who-built-it.html> - Brian _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

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Marius Petrescu

5:42 p.m.

It is funny that most of the nominees are younger than the internet. And they don't know better than a commercial structure filled with advertisement, spam and social manipuation, not to talk about knowing an internet without google, facebook, twitter and reddit. There was a time when there was only ftp and gopher and e-mail and NCSA Mosaic. Back then, yahoo and altavista where the leading search engines (and google did not exist yet), people used cuseemee for feeble tries to get a video link up, user socialized only on IRC and primitive BBS style forums. And there was basically no advertisement, whatsoever, and minimal, mostly ethic, hacking. Then these guys came up, and made the whole thing a business and a mess. So actually they are the ones to blame, and are not to be seen as role models and innocent victims. These are exactly some of the people that screwed all up by making something beautifully neutral and without borders into the hideous commercial, profit driven product we have today. - Marius On 25.04.2018 15:33, Brian Kantor wrote:

Although not directly related to AMPRNet, I found this article quite interesting: http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-peo… - Brian _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

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Chaplain Dave Sparks

6:42 p.m.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Marius Petrescu <marius(a)yo2loj.ro> wrote:

It is funny that most of the nominees are younger than the internet. And they don't know better than a commercial structure filled with advertisement, spam and social manipuation, not to talk about knowing an internet without google, facebook, twitter and reddit. There was a time when there was only ftp and gopher and e-mail and NCSA Mosaic. Back then, yahoo and altavista where the leading search engines (and google did not exist yet), people used cuseemee for feeble tries to get a video link up, user socialized only on IRC and primitive BBS style forums. And there was basically no advertisement, whatsoever, and minimal, mostly ethic, hacking. Then these guys came up, and made the whole thing a business and a mess. So actually they are the ones to blame, and are not to be seen as role models and innocent victims. These are exactly some of the people that screwed all up by making something beautifully neutral and without borders into the hideous commercial, profit driven product we have today. - Marius Those were the days ... I was a FidoNet sysop. I *THINK* my node ID was

1:207/217 or maybe 215. Then I went on to GEnie, AOL, and eventually to the "real internet", although GEnie did allow emails to be sent to the internet, then shot themselves in the foot by trying to charge for each email! -- Chaplain Dave Sparks - Callsign: AF6AS

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pete M

10:43 p.m.

Was connecting to ftp and such with a 1200 bps modem on Universite de Montreal dialup service back in the 90's, this was on a windows 3.11 "workstation". What was the tcp-ip stack? Win-trumpet? Damn in those days internet was a tool,not the thing it is right now. Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 25 avr. 2018 à 12:44, Marius Petrescu <marius(a)yo2loj.ro> a écrit : It is funny that most of the nominees are younger than the internet. And they don't know better than a commercial structure filled with advertisement, spam and social manipuation, not to talk about knowing an internet without google, facebook, twitter and reddit. There was a time when there was only ftp and gopher and e-mail and NCSA Mosaic. Back then, yahoo and altavista where the leading search engines (and google did not exist yet), people used cuseemee for feeble tries to get a video link up, user socialized only on IRC and primitive BBS style forums. And there was basically no advertisement, whatsoever, and minimal, mostly ethic, hacking. Then these guys came up, and made the whole thing a business and a mess. So actually they are the ones to blame, and are not to be seen as role models and innocent victims. These are exactly some of the people that screwed all up by making something beautifully neutral and without borders into the hideous commercial, profit driven product we have today. - Marius

On 25.04.2018 15:33, Brian Kantor wrote: Although not directly related to AMPRNet, I found this article quite interesting: http://nymag.com/selectall/2018/04/an-apology-for-the-internet-from-the-peo… - Brian _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net

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Marius Petrescu

11:33 p.m.

On 26.04.2018 00:43, pete M wrote:

Was connecting to ftp and such with a 1200 bps modem on Universite de Montreal dialup service back in the 90's, this was on a windows 3.11 "workstation". What was the tcp-ip stack? Win-trumpet? Damn in those days internet was a tool,not the thing it is right now.

Trumpet Winsock :-) I Installed Windows NT on my 386/40MHz (some 35 3.5 floppy disks) which barely run on it, but had the necessary dialup software just to download Trumpet Winsock to use it afterwards on Win 3.1 on the same machine (only some 15 disks to reinstall)... Later came Win 3.11 which had a TCP/IP + Internet explorer 3 addon which made Trumpet Winsock and Mozaic obsolete. That where times... - Marius

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