44net February 2016

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Re: [44net] how can i know what network allocated to me ?;
by Rob Janssen 18 Feb '16

18 Feb '16

> Subject: > Re: [44net] how can i know what network allocated to me ?; > From: > R P <ronenp(a)hotmail.com> > Date: > 02/18/2016 07:14 PM > > To: > AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > > > Dear Marius > There are several solutions for that > i did it with Cisco 20 years ago and I know that there is at least one gateway that use Cisco active and running now > So im not the first one who use Cisco > Best Regards > Ronen - 4Z4ZQ Maybe you will be able to get it to work between your net-44 network and outside internet, but to get connectivity to the other IPIP gateways will be very difficult for you. Getting an IPIP gateway to work requires some understanding of networking and system configuration, and it is a lot easier to do it on Linux than on your Cisco. But in any case you will need to study the matter and learn how to solve problems. In fact, that is most of the fun. As soon as it starts working, it is time to move on to other things... When you don't like it, you have probably chosen the wrong project. Rob

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Re: [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ?
by Rob Janssen 18 Feb '16

18 Feb '16

> Subject: > [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ? > From: > Toussaint OTTAVI <t.ottavi(a)bc-109.com> > Date: > 02/15/2016 10:31 AM > > To: > <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > > > Hi, > > I'm TK1BI, and I'm living in Corsica. It's a small island in the Mediterranean sea. It's a French "department". But it's a specific DXCC country : TK. > > With my friend TK5EP, we are managing the TK5KP radio-club, which has been very active for years. We are now designing a hamnet network for our island. I'm wondering if it would be possible to obtain a /16 subnet for our "country". If so, what > would be the requirements ? How many radio amateurs are there in Corsica, and how many of them are likely to be active on the digital network? There are 134 callsigns in the QRZ.COM list for TK*. Maybe only those that voluntarily listed themselves are there? I think other countries of similar population size got a /20 assigned... Not that we have a shortage of address space, and not that I want to withhold you a /16, but it seems a bit large. Rob

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Re: [44net] BGP announcement questions ?
by Rob Janssen 18 Feb '16

18 Feb '16

> Subject: > Re: [44net] BGP announcement questions ? > From: > R P <ronenp(a)hotmail.com> > Date: > 02/17/2016 09:14 AM > > To: > AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > > > Thank you Edgar > I look for Hardware solutions for making our gateways > I know Cisco can serve as Gateway > Now i start to understand that Microtik also can do it > Do you know if anyone is doing a GateWay with Microtik ? if yes may I get the config to do IPIP for the 44 net ? > Thanks Forward > Ronen - 4Z4ZQ I would not recommend Cisco or MikroTik to run an IPIP gateway. It is all much too complicated. Get a Linux box. Seriously. Or BSD when you like that better. With a few simple configuration steps you have an IPIP router that works automatically and does not need manual attention or complicated scripts to update its configuration all the time. MikroTik is ideal for use as internal router in a radio network: point-to-point links and user accesses, and running BGP on the private AS numbers. That is not the same as running BGP towards internet! To announce BGP subnets on internet I would recommend to get this service from an ISP. They know this matter because they use it to advertise their own subnets, and a good ISP can advertise your subnet to internet and statically route the traffic to your router. Rob

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Re: [44net] BGP stats for AMPRNet
by Steve L 18 Feb '16

18 Feb '16

curl -s http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/data-add-ARIN | grep " 44\." >And if we talk on the subject >is there any tool on the net that can show the Sub nets that advertised for the BGP for the >AMPRNET ? >I used to see BGP advertisements in one of the looking glass tools of the biggest ISP tools page >Regards >Ronen - 4Z4ZQ >http://www.ronen.org

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Re: [44net] BGP announcement questions ?
by Steve L 18 Feb '16

18 Feb '16

Ronen, I am with Tom on this. Cisco routers/Mikrotik have their place later down in the network. By far the most logical way to do an IPIP gateway is with a Linux box. Look into the the various single board computers, you don't need a spinning hard drive if you are worried about dish crashes etc. Brian Kantor runs the whole thing at UCSD on a dual-core 3.2 Ghz Xeon processor with two 1 GbE ports running a BSD variant on a Compact flash storage device, if I remember correctly.

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Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ?
by Toussaint OTTAVI 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hi, I'm TK1BI, and I'm living in Corsica. It's a small island in the Mediterranean sea. It's a French "department". But it's a specific DXCC country : TK. With my friend TK5EP, we are managing the TK5KP radio-club, which has been very active for years. We are now designing a hamnet network for our island. I'm wondering if it would be possible to obtain a /16 subnet for our "country". If so, what would be the requirements ? Here are some arguments : - In the ham radio world, Corsica is a separate DXCC country. - On an administrative point of view, Corsica is a department of France. But it's an island, and there's 300 km of sea between us and France. So, it's an independant geographical unit. - On a political point of view, Corsica has a specific language (similar to Italian), and a local government that would tend to more autonomy inside France and Europe. - On a historical point of view, Corsica has been one of the first republics in the world (30 years before France), and its Constitution, written in 1755 by Pasquale PAOLI, was used as a reference for the constitution of the United States of America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquale_Paoli). - On a technical point of view, we're already using the 44.151.20.0/24 subnet (from France). And it would be technically enough to handle all our future needs. The "internal" net is built on 10.x.y.0/24 subnets, and only the external gateway has a 44.x address. Anyway, having a /16 would allow us to separate each region and city in /24 subnets, and use 44.x adresses everywhere (no more 10.x). As you can see, this request is not really based on technical needs; It's mostly a request to affirm our identity in the hamradio world. I'm a Systems Engineer, specialized in network and telecom. I'll host the backbone of the network in my professional datacenters (one in France/OVH, and one here in Corsica). My company will give free hosting, free VMs, free IP addresses and free bandwidth to the radio-club, so that the network will benefit of latest technologies at no cost. We'll also have BGP capabilities. TK5EP and I will be the sysadmins. Then, would it be possible to get a /16 subnet for Corsica ? Thank you in avance. 73 de TK1BI

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Is ENCAP.TXT available via FTP
by Jay Nugent 15 Feb '16

15 Feb '16

Greetings fellow AMPRnetters, Is the encap.txt file still available via anonymous FTP any longer? That method was sweet and easy. I find the API rather clunky and so prone to scripting errors (on my end). I'm trying to automate updating the encap routes daily, and FTP has always been tried and true. NO! Not interested in RIP as during emergencies when we need to manually make changes to the routing tables they get overwritten by RIP. So that is NOT a solution in an EMCOM environment, sorry. So is plain-jane FTP still available??? Thanks! --- Jay Nugent WB8TKL Ypsilanti, Michigan Hamgate.Washtenaw.AMPR.org () ascii ribbon campaign in /\ support of plain text e-mail o Averaging at least 3 days of MTBWTF!?!?!? o The solution for long term Internet growth is IPv6. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jay Nugent jjn(a)nuge.com (734)484-5105 (734)649-0850/Cell | | Nugent Telecommunications [www.nuge.com] | | Internet Consulting/Linux SysAdmin/Engineering & Design | | ISP Monitoring [www.ispmonitor.org] ISP Performance Monitoring | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 08:01:01 up 37 days, 4:49, 4 users, load average: 0.36, 0.22, 0.17

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Re: [44net] ampr-ripd for openwrt (Jean-Marc Magnier)
by F6CNB 15 Feb '16

15 Feb '16

Jean-Marc, An easy way to check your system and to know if you are going thru Internet or thru ampr.org is to ping my IPIP gateway at either 44.151.91.7 or 44.168.12.6 If the ping time is around 300ms you are coming in from Internet via ucsd.edu and if the ping time is less than 100ms you are coming in thru the IPIP tunnel. For testing purpose, you can just manually create a few IPIP tunnels and routes on your openwrt router. . Feel free to contact me directly as I am only a few km (Bures sur Yvette) from your QRA. You should even be able to connect the 44.168.x.x network via radio on the 5.7MHz band. 73 Remi F6CNB

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Filtering...
by Rob Janssen 14 Feb '16

14 Feb '16

On a somewhat related note: people, please include some filtering in your gateways to drop the packets with an RFC1918 source or destination address (the 192.168 networks etc) before forwarding them over tunnels. There are several other filters that you can apply, depending on the position of your gateway in the network, including the verification that the source address of packets is within your gatewayed subnet. I have filters with logging on the tunnel interfaces and it is unbelievable how many 192.168.88.x and 10.x.y.z packets I see being dropped. A little output filtering does not hurt! Rob

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ampr-ripd for openwrt
by Steve L 14 Feb '16

14 Feb '16

Lynwood managed to cross-compile ampr-ripd v1.13 OpenWrt-ar71xx-for-mips_34kc back in August 2015. You can look at this lists archives around that time for any other notes. His binary and some other things can be found at http://44.60.44.10/amprnet_docs/ Note: Only accessible via 44net, else 403: >Hi, > >Does anyone know where I can find a compiled version of ampr-ripd for >openwrt (backfire) ? I can't find gcc for Backfire :-( >Same nightmare about rip44d, perl multicast not available for Backfire. > >Thanks in advance > >73 from F1SCA

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