Subject: [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ? From: Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com Date: 02/15/2016 10:31 AM
Hi,
I'm TK1BI, and I'm living in Corsica. It's a small island in the Mediterranean sea. It's a French "department". But it's a specific DXCC country : TK.
With my friend TK5EP, we are managing the TK5KP radio-club, which has been very active for years. We are now designing a hamnet network for our island. I'm wondering if it would be possible to obtain a /16 subnet for our "country". If so, what would be the requirements ?
How many radio amateurs are there in Corsica, and how many of them are likely to be active on the digital network? There are 134 callsigns in the QRZ.COM list for TK*. Maybe only those that voluntarily listed themselves are there?
I think other countries of similar population size got a /20 assigned... Not that we have a shortage of address space, and not that I want to withhold you a /16, but it seems a bit large.
Rob
Hi Rob,
We are 320 000 humans in Corsica, and a little bit more than 100 amateurs. During summer, the population climbs over a million. Among them, several contest / IOTA / SHF / ATV teams used to come here for special events, or just for holidays. They often use "special" callsigns.
According to our last meeting, approx. 30 local people would be interested. We'll have 5 "geographical" areas (the island is small, but there are a lot of mountains, HI). I think we'll have 10 technical sites with permanent installations (repeaters, contest sites, datacenters). The rest will be a "decentralized" and/or "meshed" network. I think we'll provide pre-configured Raspberri Pi or OpenWRT boxes to individual operators (so that anybody can start playing around immediately, without having to learn network techniques such as IP, subnet masks, VPN, etc...).
We don't need 65000 addresses at all ! The idea was to have a little bit more than a /24, and to have a dedicated subnet for our "country", with local coordination and subnetting rules.
Of course, a /20 would be perfect !
73 de TK1BI & TK5EP
Le 15/02/2016 23:02, Rob Janssen a écrit :
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Subject: [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ? From: Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com Date: 02/15/2016 10:31 AM
Hi,
I'm TK1BI, and I'm living in Corsica. It's a small island in the Mediterranean sea. It's a French "department". But it's a specific DXCC country : TK.
With my friend TK5EP, we are managing the TK5KP radio-club, which has been very active for years. We are now designing a hamnet network for our island. I'm wondering if it would be possible to obtain a /16 subnet for our "country". If so, what would be the requirements ?
How many radio amateurs are there in Corsica, and how many of them are likely to be active on the digital network? There are 134 callsigns in the QRZ.COM list for TK*. Maybe only those that voluntarily listed themselves are there?
I think other countries of similar population size got a /20 assigned... Not that we have a shortage of address space, and not that I want to withhold you a /16, but it seems a bit large.
It seems to me that as Corsica is a part of France, you should apply to the French coordinator for an allocation that you can then partition and assign further as suits your needs. It's hard to justify more than a /24 for 30 people no matter how you subnet it further. - Brian
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 09:51:26AM +0100, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
We don't need 65000 addresses at all ! The idea was to have a little bit more than a /24, and to have a dedicated subnet for our "country", with local coordination and subnetting rules.
Hi,
Le 16/02/2016 23:58, Brian Kantor a écrit :
It seems to me that as Corsica is a part of France,
On a political and historical point of view, that's not really true ;-) Corsica has been "bought" to Italy in 1768 (as you can buy an IC-7800), and it has been invaded in 1769 by the French Kingdom forces, killing thousands of people, and destroying what was one of the first democracies in the world. Today, Corsica is governed by "moderate independantists", which aim to re-gain our independance in several domains where we lost it over the years, such as language, mastering of our land, our environment, etc... Corsica is an island of Europe, which claims for respect of its identity. But we are not here to talk about politics ;-)
you should apply to the French coordinator for an allocation that you can then partition and assign further as suits your needs.
We are already in touch with the french coordinators. Because there are two. And two subnets (44.151 and 44.168). I don't ever want to know why. Which one should I use ? Both ? Should I route from one to another ? Should I use dual-adressing in 44.151.x and 44.168.x ? Moreover, there's 300 km of sea between us and France, which may require a lot of dB for a neighbor 5 GHz link :-)
It's hard to justify more than a /24 for 30 people no matter how you subnet it further.
A /24 would be OK, too. The purpose is not to claim for more IPs. The purpose is to ask if a specific subnet can be assigned to Corsica as an independant DXCC country in order to affirm our identity, in the radioamateur world such as in many other domains .
Moreover, we are only 30 people, but we inspired the constitution of the United States of America, HI :-) https://churchmousec.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/the-american-revolution-and-a-...
73 de TK1BI, citizen of Corsica ;-)
On 2/17/16 1:20 AM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
The purpose is to ask if a specific subnet can be assigned to Corsica as an independant DXCC country in order to affirm our identity, in the radioamateur world such as in many other domains .
I'm not in favor of assigning IP subnets to anyone with out a clear use case. Unless you want to do your own connectivity via BGP, there is really no reason to assign a subnet like that. For the IPIP via the UCSD gateway, assigning ip's at the /32 level will work just fine.
If you have a network built out or plans with a few other TK hams on the island, there is really no need for a subnet. It's an IP, not a national identity :)
73's
Hi,
Le 17/02/2016 13:48, Bryan Fields a écrit :
If you have a network built out or plans with a few other TK hams on the island, there is really no need for a subnet. It's an IP, not a national identity:)
We are in the radio-amateur world. There's no *need* at all for building such a network, HI ;-) It's for fun, technical experiment and learning purposes, nothing else.
What we want to build, is an island-wide IP network, with peerings with our neighbours in the Mediterranean sea (France, Italy, Sardinia). Each of our current locations (repeaters, contest sites, radio-clubs) will be connected. The backbone and servers will be hosted on virtual machines in two datacenters for redundancy. My company will offer free hosting and unlimited VMs to the HAM community.
I'm a systems/network engineer, I build and maintain networks everyday for my business. My friend TK5EP is a well-known DX and contest operator, and a highly skilled radio engineer. We both have skills, equipment, and energy to do that :-)
Our first design, and our first bricks of the network, are using 10.0.0.0/8 private range. Each physical site has a 10.x.y.0/24 subnet, even if there are only a few address used, because a /24 netmask is easy to understand for beginners. We have an IP-IP gateway in the French range (44.151.20.1), and we planned to have another gateway in the second French range (44.168.20.x). Doing so, we can handle our own network, we can do exactly what we want, without asking anything to anybody.
Anyway, this complicates exchange, both with other HAM networks (amprnet and European Hamnet), but also with Internet : we have to use NAT and reverse-NAT extensively. That's not a problem for me, because I used to do that in my job. Anyway, NAT complicates the job, and makes things more difficult to understand and to maintain. NAT is very useful, but I'd like to use it only when it's required. And I'd prefer to avoid it whenever possible.
Taking that into consideration, I'm wondering if using a "flat" network, with individual 44.x addressing for all sites, no more 10.0.0.0 addressing, and no more NAT, would be be a better solution. My opinion, on a strictly technical point of view, is YES. That's the reason why I'm asking about the possibility to obtain a decent 44.x subnet. If that breaks the rules and/or bother people, then we'll use internal 10.0.0.0 addressing. No problem.
Moreover, if we can obtain a /24 ou a /20 subnet from ampr.org, I'm asking for a specific subnet (ie, that is not in the French ranges) to illustrate the fact Corsica is a separate DXCC country, and an independant island inside the Europe, with a specific language, history, culture, etc... Of course, using 44.151.20.x/24 (subnet of France), or using 44.111.222.0/24 (any other independant subnet) won't change anything on a technical point of wiew. But it would change a lot for us :-)
About BGP, we're still in the "planning" and "testing" stages for now. I do not use BGP in my job, then I actually do not have BGP capabilities in my datacenters. Anyway, my current plans do include BGP capabilities for our hamnet network, and I already had contacts with my providers. My company should be able to offer BGP capabilities to the Corsican HAM community at a very reduced cost, or no cost at all.
For now, we do not have a "map" of our future network. Several virtual machines are already running in a temporary DC: Linux firewall, IP-IP gateway, ipsec and ovpn gateway, network and radio link supervision (Nagios), web server and mail server. We're now working on VoIP server (asterisk) to interconnect our voice repeaters. D-Star gateway will be the next step, because there's a lot of demand here. We're also finishing the hardware tests and validating our solutions : raspberry pi, UBNT and Debian 8 VMs. Mikrotik evaluation is still on the go. I planned to install a Wordpress WEB server, in a DMZ (accessible both from Internet and HamNet), with a presentation of the network, sites, addressing, webcams, meteo, current status and roadmap, tutorials, etc... But that's not at the top of the ToDo list. I'm an engineer, not a marketing specialist, HI :-)
Once this is done, we'll start cleaning up things, deploying in a "production" environment, before giving access to users.
As you can see, I'm not just requesting a single IP address as an end-user. I really think a /24 (minimum) subnet would be helpful. And an independant subnet would be in the sense of the history ;-)
Thank you in advance, and apologies for being quite long. Usually, my contributions are a little bit more technical, and less esoteric :-)
73 de TK1BI
On 2/17/16 9:35 AM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Our first design, and our first bricks of the network, are using 10.0.0.0/8 private range. Each physical site has a 10.x.y.0/24 subnet, even if there are only a few address used, because a /24 netmask is easy to understand for beginners. We have an IP-IP gateway in the French range (44.151.20.1), and we planned to have another gateway in the second French range (44.168.20.x). Doing so, we can handle our own network, we can do exactly what we want, without asking anything to anybody.
I'd say if you have stuff in the air and you're operating already, you certainly qualify for a /24 or larger. I thought your plans were theoretical, not actual networks!
That's awesome you have stuff running. What bands are you using over there for access and backhaul?
73's
Le 17/02/2016 17:25, Bryan Fields a écrit :
That's awesome you have stuff running. What bands are you using over there for access and backhaul?
Stuff running are mostly in the lab (virtual servers, gateways) and through Internet VPNs for now. Anyway, on the air, we have one 2.4 GHz link (with modified Linksys WRT54GL) and one 5 GHz link with UBNT PowerBeams. We made several field tests about covegage / distance (over sea, over mountains, in city/crowded area, etc...). We'll use UBNT in the near future, because it's more powerful, easy to use and cost effective. We'll also test Mikrotik, because lots of people are using it in Europe, and it seems interesting. I think we'll use 5 GHz for links, and 2.4 GHz for user access.
Our sites already connected, or being connected, are : - La Punta (JN41IW) : North of Ajaccio bay : VHF repeater, meteo station, remote contest station tests (TS590 with beam and PA). - Coti-Chjavari (JN41JS) : South of Ajaccio bay : UHF repeater - TK5EP home in Ajaccio : Our President, OpenVPN client (test of future VPN user access) - TK1BI (me) home in Soccia : IPSEC VPN (site-to-site VPN), 2.4 GHz user access, UHF repeater with Raspberry/DIAL VoIP testing (current project), and various other things being tested - TK5DG in Ajaccio : a user which hosts the first "TkNet box" (a router/ipsec) behind its home ADSL box. It has a 2.4 GHz uplink to La Punta. - TK1CX/P in Corte : solar-powered site on a mountain, UHF repeater, APRS, HF + 50 MHz station, d-star hotspot (5 GHz link ready to be installed, waiting for spring...) - TK4NU in Ajaccio : d-star fan, owns several d-star equipments, is impatient to be connected to the network (but I'm not ready for d-star yet...) - MEDI (my company) : datacenter (core of the network : hp Proliant ML350G5 full redundant "second hand" dedicated for hams, HyperV virtuaization, all the VMs running Debian 8) - OVH (cloud provider in France) : small server with Proxmox virtualization, serves as an additional VPN concentrator to reduce latency. - TK1BI/M : my car, also called "MAEVA", for "Multimedia Autonomous Embedded Vehicle Automation" ;-) It's a Raspberry Pi, with 3G/4G router, 2 WiFi antennas (AP and client), VPN, VLANs (Pro, public and ham), computer-controlled VHF and UHF TRX, Asterisk, GPS, Bluetooth, HiFi/music player and car OBDII integration. (under heavy development...) - TK1BI/P : my Android phone, for mobile VPN testing, monitoring/supervision, remote control of servers via WEB interfaces, VoIP clients (SIP and IAX2)
Of course, lots of things are still theoretical, or under testing :-) But some others are up and running, that's why we would like to define our IP strategy now, so that we do not have to change IPs later.
73 de TK1BI
Sounds like a DXpedition to Corsica for Net44 operations is in order. Make sure you get some extra address space for visitors.
73 de Ed W8EMV
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com wrote:
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Le 17/02/2016 17:25, Bryan Fields a écrit :
That's awesome you have stuff running. What bands are you using over there for access and backhaul?
Stuff running are mostly in the lab (virtual servers, gateways) and through Internet VPNs for now. Anyway, on the air, we have one 2.4 GHz link (with modified Linksys WRT54GL) and one 5 GHz link with UBNT PowerBeams. We made several field tests about covegage / distance (over sea, over mountains, in city/crowded area, etc...). We'll use UBNT in the near future, because it's more powerful, easy to use and cost effective. We'll also test Mikrotik, because lots of people are using it in Europe, and it seems interesting. I think we'll use 5 GHz for links, and 2.4 GHz for user access.
Our sites already connected, or being connected, are :
- La Punta (JN41IW) : North of Ajaccio bay : VHF repeater, meteo station,
remote contest station tests (TS590 with beam and PA).
- Coti-Chjavari (JN41JS) : South of Ajaccio bay : UHF repeater
- TK5EP home in Ajaccio : Our President, OpenVPN client (test of future
VPN user access)
- TK1BI (me) home in Soccia : IPSEC VPN (site-to-site VPN), 2.4 GHz user
access, UHF repeater with Raspberry/DIAL VoIP testing (current project), and various other things being tested
- TK5DG in Ajaccio : a user which hosts the first "TkNet box" (a
router/ipsec) behind its home ADSL box. It has a 2.4 GHz uplink to La Punta.
- TK1CX/P in Corte : solar-powered site on a mountain, UHF repeater, APRS,
HF + 50 MHz station, d-star hotspot (5 GHz link ready to be installed, waiting for spring...)
- TK4NU in Ajaccio : d-star fan, owns several d-star equipments, is
impatient to be connected to the network (but I'm not ready for d-star yet...)
- MEDI (my company) : datacenter (core of the network : hp Proliant
ML350G5 full redundant "second hand" dedicated for hams, HyperV virtuaization, all the VMs running Debian 8)
- OVH (cloud provider in France) : small server with Proxmox
virtualization, serves as an additional VPN concentrator to reduce latency.
- TK1BI/M : my car, also called "MAEVA", for "Multimedia Autonomous
Embedded Vehicle Automation" ;-) It's a Raspberry Pi, with 3G/4G router, 2 WiFi antennas (AP and client), VPN, VLANs (Pro, public and ham), computer-controlled VHF and UHF TRX, Asterisk, GPS, Bluetooth, HiFi/music player and car OBDII integration. (under heavy development...)
- TK1BI/P : my Android phone, for mobile VPN testing,
monitoring/supervision, remote control of servers via WEB interfaces, VoIP clients (SIP and IAX2)
Of course, lots of things are still theoretical, or under testing :-) But some others are up and running, that's why we would like to define our IP strategy now, so that we do not have to change IPs later.
73 de TK1BI
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Le 17/02/2016 18:48, Edward Vielmetti a écrit :
Sounds like a DXpedition to Corsica for Net44 operations is in order. Make sure you get some extra address space for visitors.
Don't spend your money in travel ! We'll reinvent DXpeditions :-) You'll be able to control our DX station through 44Net and Windows Remote Destop :-)
Just vote for our subnet !
- with a /24, you'll have rotator control - with a /20, you'll be able to power up the 3CX1500 ;-)
PS: We're still researching a solution for remote smell control, HI :-)
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com wrote:
Just vote for our subnet !
- with a /24, you'll have rotator control
- with a /20, you'll be able to power up the 3CX1500 ;-)
I don't see what the big deal about giving you a significant block of space is. You've provided justification to cover dozens of hosts and a handful of subnets (10 sites!). And BGP routing requires at least a /24. The source block is irrelevant--an allocation is an allocation. If the French coordinators do not issue you something in the next 24 hours, hopefully Brian can intervene and help you. There are plenty of unused address--you shouldn't have to NAT.
PS: We're still researching a solution for remote smell control, HI :-)
I really do not want the remote smell of another ham shack!
Tom KD7LXL
Le 17/02/2016 20:41, Tom Hayward a écrit :
If the French coordinators do not issue you something in the next 24 hours, hopefully Brian can intervene and help you.
I have no request here. Anyway, i do "my job"...
I read this list but i almost miss this joke.
/16 i.e. 65000 IP for 90 Corsica ham ... It was daring ...
;o)
I wait your request in /24, Toussaint, i will give you 44.151.120/24
Best regards, Ludovic - F5PBG (Coord 44.151)
In your previous mail you indicated that you have obtained two /24 blocks, one from each of the French subnets.
Correct? - Brian
Le 17/02/2016 22:21, Brian Kantor a écrit :
In your previous mail you indicated that you have obtained two /24 blocks, one from each of the French subnets.
Not yet.
For now, I just got 44.151.20.1/32 from Ludovic, a few months ago, just to see "how it works", and set up the first machines.
Before choosing our final design, and before requesting a full subnet, I wanted to understand well some things, that are still unclear for me : - Why are there two networks (44.151 and 44.168) for France ? - Which one should I use ? Are there advantages and/or drawbacks for eachover ? - Should I use both ? If so, how ? Gateay/router ? Dual-addressing ? 1-to-1 NAT ?
Then, as we are a separate DXCC country, why not requesting a subnet that would be independant of both, and that would also be over the quarrels ?
On Wed, 17 Feb 2016, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Our sites already connected, or being connected, are :
- La Punta (JN41IW) : North of Ajaccio bay : VHF repeater, meteo station,
remote contest station tests (TS590 with beam and PA).
- Coti-Chjavari (JN41JS) : South of Ajaccio bay : UHF repeater
- TK5EP home in Ajaccio : Our President, OpenVPN client (test of future VPN
user access)
- TK1BI (me) home in Soccia : IPSEC VPN (site-to-site VPN), 2.4 GHz user
access, UHF repeater with Raspberry/DIAL VoIP testing (current project), and various other things being tested
- TK5DG in Ajaccio : a user which hosts the first "TkNet box" (a
router/ipsec) behind its home ADSL box. It has a 2.4 GHz uplink to La Punta.
- TK1CX/P in Corte : solar-powered site on a mountain, UHF repeater, APRS, HF
- 50 MHz station, d-star hotspot (5 GHz link ready to be installed, waiting
for spring...)
- TK4NU in Ajaccio : d-star fan, owns several d-star equipments, is impatient
to be connected to the network (but I'm not ready for d-star yet...)
- MEDI (my company) : datacenter (core of the network : hp Proliant ML350G5
full redundant "second hand" dedicated for hams, HyperV virtuaization, all the VMs running Debian 8)
- OVH (cloud provider in France) : small server with Proxmox virtualization,
serves as an additional VPN concentrator to reduce latency.
- TK1BI/M : my car, also called "MAEVA", for "Multimedia Autonomous Embedded
Vehicle Automation" ;-) It's a Raspberry Pi, with 3G/4G router, 2 WiFi antennas (AP and client), VPN, VLANs (Pro, public and ham), computer-controlled VHF and UHF TRX, Asterisk, GPS, Bluetooth, HiFi/music player and car OBDII integration. (under heavy development...)
- TK1BI/P : my Android phone, for mobile VPN testing, monitoring/supervision,
If it were me planning a network based on the above information I would reserve a /19 but assign a /20, then advertise the /20 via BGP to whom ever you can get to announce it.
I didn't see any design plans so lets just make one up for fun here.
Being extremely liberal and not knowing the architecture layout that you have decided upon, I think it's safe to say this probably a more the adequate assignment for each of the 11 sites.
Per site assignments -------------------------------------- 4 x /27 LAN blocks 8 x /30 RF Links to this site 16 x /32 Loopbacks
If we break that down into assignable assignments:
1408 IP's assigned to LAN blocks 4 x /27 x 11 sites Assign /21 to LAN Blocks (2,048 IP's) 352 IP's assigned to RF Links 8 x /30 x 11 sites Assign /23 to RF Links (512 IP's) 176 Loopbacks 16 x /32 x 11 sites Assign a /24 range to loopbacks (256 IP's)
I would round up /23 + /24 into a /22, and then add the /21 which would be roughly 12 /24's but since that's not on a even boundary I would move it up to 16 which makes it a /20, hence the final assignment of a /20 to start with.
I would also mention don't pre-allocate IP blocks to each of the 11 sites until you have a actual need to use the IP Space as this will actually allow you to grow beyond 11 sites without having to ask for more IP space. Since I don't think you will actually need 4 lan blocks of a /27 size at each site. Not to mention the buffer fill space of 5 x /24's that are included in the /20 assignment for the above to make it fall on a even boundary. Lots of growth room here.
Tim Osburn 080-4633-4671 http://www.m2os.com W7RSZ / JG1MBR
Le 18/02/2016 02:06, Tim Osburn a écrit :
I would round up /23 + /24 into a /22, and then add the /21 whichwould be roughly 12 /24's but since that's not on a even boundary I would move it up to 16 which makes it a /20, hence the final assignment of a /20 to start with.
Wow ! Don't you want to spend 6 months of holidays in Corsica ? We offer free B&B, it's a nice place for DXing, we have beaches, mountains, sun, and some of the prettiest girls in the world. Really. :-)
Interested ? ;-)
Ha!
I'm more practical - you deserve to get all of the subnet space that you actually need and will use. :-)
I know - crazy talk!
I'm willing, of course, to come an enjoy your beaches, mountains and sun (I'm married, so the remainder of the offer is to be appreciated at a distance). Sounds idyllic!
- Richard, VE7CVS
On 2/17/16 10:10 PM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
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Le 18/02/2016 02:06, Tim Osburn a écrit :
I would round up /23 + /24 into a /22, and then add the /21 whichwould be roughly 12 /24's but since that's not on a even boundary I would move it up to 16 which makes it a /20, hence the final assignment of a /20 to start with.
Wow ! Don't you want to spend 6 months of holidays in Corsica ? We offer free B&B, it's a nice place for DXing, we have beaches, mountains, sun, and some of the prettiest girls in the world. Really. :-)
Interested ? ;-)
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Le 18/02/2016 07:34, Richard Chycoski a écrit :
Sounds idyllic!
Corsica would be an idyllic place with good and affordable transportations, UPS tracking like anywhere in the world, good IP transit at an affordable price, no more black fuel electricity power plants, no super-rich people buying land and houses just for one week of holidays, its history and culture not being negated, but instead, being taught in schools, ability to use Corsican language in everyday's life, and many other things that are a bit wrong here ;-)
Anyway, we are not complaining. We are doing !
PS: It's an idyllic place for hamradio holidays : the YL and children can go to the beach, while the OM operates :-)
On 2/18/16 1:10 AM, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Wow ! Don't you want to spend 6 months of holidays in Corsica ? We offer free B&B, it's a nice place for DXing, we have beaches, mountains, sun, and some of the prettiest girls in the world. Really.
Do these girls have loose morals and like homely guys?
If so, do you need network architect? Find some funding and we can start stringing up fiber for PON too; I have a couple million AA miles I need to use.
73's
Le 17/02/2016 14:35, Toussaint OTTAVI a écrit :
That's the reason why I'm asking about the possibility to obtain a decent 44.x subnet.
Corsica is a French region. If all regions of France 44.xx request a subnet, If all countries do the same, wewill miss subnet 44 ...
LoL
France was the only network under 44.151 previously. Another french ham ask for 44.168 ... This was accepted although ultimately not really necessary ...
Just look at the number of available IP network in 44.151 ...
In addition in France there are only about 10,000 hams and little interested in Hamnet.
If you want a /24 subnet, it was enough to ask me ...
44.151.20 is for "free" corsica subnet : No leader...
If you want 44.151.120/24 , only create a request on the ampr server.
Do not waste IP for stories of ego...
Best regards, Ludovic - F5PBG
Rather switch to IPV6. No lack of IP's, more simple to route,....
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de f5pbg@free.fr Envoyé : jeudi 18 février 2016 00:26 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Le 17/02/2016 14:35, Toussaint OTTAVI a écrit :
That's the reason why I'm asking about the possibility to obtain a decent 44.x subnet.
Corsica is a French region. If all regions of France 44.xx request a subnet, If all countries do the same, wewill miss subnet 44 ...
LoL
France was the only network under 44.151 previously. Another french ham ask for 44.168 ... This was accepted although ultimately not really necessary ...
Just look at the number of available IP network in 44.151 ...
In addition in France there are only about 10,000 hams and little interested in Hamnet.
If you want a /24 subnet, it was enough to ask me ...
44.151.20 is for "free" corsica subnet : No leader...
If you want 44.151.120/24 , only create a request on the ampr server.
Do not waste IP for stories of ego...
Best regards, Ludovic - F5PBG
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
Rather switch to IPV6. No lack of IP's, more simple to route,....
Then why don't you go get a block of IPv6 addresses and dedicate it to ham radio? I'm sure RIPE has some available.
You can even be the administrator of the network. - Brian
Yes Brian, we can do that. I already have a 64 subnet from Hurricane. So we can imagine that every country/area/sub-are get a subnet
From this kind of provider. And HE is free.
PS : Network admin : My goal is not to be admin instead of admins, but to share my experience in networks and help if I can.
73 QRO
F1SCA
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de Brian Kantor Envoyé : jeudi 18 février 2016 01:29 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [44net] Obtaining a /16 network for a specific DXCC country (TK) ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
Rather switch to IPV6. No lack of IP's, more simple to route,....
Then why don't you go get a block of IPv6 addresses and dedicate it to ham radio? I'm sure RIPE has some available.
You can even be the administrator of the network. - Brian
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Great idea. Folks have been asking for IPv6 for ham radio, now it's possible. - Brian
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 01:38:52AM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
Yes Brian, we can do that. I already have a 64 subnet from Hurricane. So we can imagine that every country/area/sub-are get a subnet From this kind of provider. And HE is free.
PS : Network admin : My goal is not to be admin instead of admins, but to share my experience in networks and help if I can.
73 QRO F1SCA
Le 18/02/2016 00:26, f5pbg@free.fr a écrit :
Corsica is a French region.
That's the problem with French people : they consider they have some kind of "ownership" on us, and we are just a mega holiday-village for them :-) :-) :-)
We were an independant democracy when you were still obeying to the King of France :-) And you just colonized us :-)
If you want to know more about our people, our history, our way of life, just stop watching TF1 and BFMTV, HI :-) Read Pasquale PAOLI. Read what Rousseau or Voltaire wrote about us. Listen to Michel ROCARD (French Prime Minister, some years ago, at the French National Assembly) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACAlTlXWmgs
And, more recently, Google for "Gilles SIMEONI" (the current "Governor" of Corsica) and listen what he says.
Corsica is not a French region just like the others. Corsica aims to re-gain its independance in several domains where we lost it over the years, in the respect of each other, and following the philosophy of humanism initiated by PAOLI some centuries ago...
But we are a little bit off-topic :-)
Corsica is a French region.
That's the problem with French people : they consider they have some kind of "ownership" on us, and we are just a mega holiday-village for them :-) :-) :-)
No, it is reality... it is a region, like other french regions. Toussaint obviously have separatist ideas...
But I do not politics.
Everybody can see this evidence on http://www.anfr.fr :
*90 ham in Corsica !*
How much french Corsica ham areinterested in Hamnet? I suppose less than 10.
Only Toussaint asks for one hamnet IP, no other french ham Corsica, for the moment. But I talk about Hamnet for many years...
44.151 is free and I've already said that. It is not my "ownership"...
Number of french department of Corsica is 20, so i give 44.151.20 for Corsica. Toussaint is NOT the responsable of Corsica.
But if Toussaint want "ownership" of IP, like i said, he put a request and i give to him 44.151.120/24 . More than 200 IP for less 10 ham radio, i suppose it is reasonable.
But if Brian wants to lose IP, he can give to Toussaint a 44 /16 subnet. That does not bother me.
Best regards, Ludovic - F5PBG - Coord 44.151
Le 18/02/2016 10:12, f5pbg@free.fr a écrit :
No, it is reality... it is a region, like other french regions. Toussaint obviously have separatist ideas...
Did you read the references I provided, about PAOLI, VOLTAIRE, ROUSSEAU, ROCARD or SIMEONI Gilles ? If so, could you tell me where you found the word "separatist" ? ;-)
But if Toussaint want "ownership" of IP, like i said, he put a request and
You clearly misunderstood what I said. I want the ownership of nothing. Nothing else than my land, my language and my culture. But that's clearly off-topic here. I do not want to participate in any troll about ownership of French IPs or anything else. If that's the opinion French people have about Corsica, then, definitely, I have very few in common with France.
Amateur radio, for me, is a leisure, and nothing else. And it should remain fun. I will end this discussion now. My apologies to everybody for the inconvenience.
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