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by Neil Johnson 12 Apr '14

12 Apr '14

I can see the main page, but if I click on a link the following page displays no text. -Neil -- Neil Johnson http://erudicon.com

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Re: [44net] Portal doesn't allow IPIP anycast via 44net
by Bryan Fields 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

On 4/11/14, 12:26 PM, lleachii(a)aol.com wrote: > TOS section 7c requires him to provide an AMPRNet connection for AMPR > devices local to him; but not necessarily via rip44. Since its not valid at > this time to tunnel to a 44subnet via a 44 address, I don't see how he's in > compliance (save via RF, which is their local AMPRNet anyway). Where would hamradio be with out armchair lawyers? I love this hobby. If he's using 44net space and announcing it to the internet via BGP he is providing access to the users behind his BGP router that have AMPRnet addresses. Sure they may not have access to the rest of AMPRnet via the IPIP routes, but that's optional. I'd even venture to guess most hams on his system won't care/know that it's missing the IPIP tunnels. People using AMPRnet space in BGP are most likely concerned with providing access to the internet via ham radio, not accessing slow 9600 baud links from the internet. > Bart also mentioned: > >>>>> It allows our microwave network to remain connected to the rest of >>>>> AMPRnet as long as we have at least 1 ISP that isn't dead. > **The problem would also solved if he announces 209.189.196.68/32 on both > ISP connections.** A /32 is going to be route filtered, and it's not his IP space, it's a /30 or /31 from his upstream BGP peer. So no, this is not possible. The entire *IDEA* of BGP is to allow you to control your own redundancy and peering to the routing table. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] Portal doesn't allow IPIP anycast via 44net
by kb9mwr＠gmail.com 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

Alright how many people are still running some sort of NOS on DOS? Time to move forward folks and use the excellent routing capabilities of Linux. Every time I look at the encap.txt and see stuff like: route addprivate 44.129/16 encap 118.22.1.194 I ask myself why do we still export is this way. I say export it as: ip route add 44.129.0.0/16 via 118.22.1.194 dev tunl0 onlink And let those who still need it the old way learn the pain of conversion. Give them a reason to upgrade/ move forward. </Off my soap box> ---- Quote--- Bart, Don brought up some good points. In addition: - non Linux-kernel routers (e.g. JNOS and TNOS) would not be able to route to you as they would need to be reprogrammed and recompiled (FYI, JNOS and TNOS is the most commonly used AMPR Network OS)

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NANOG 61 June 2-4
by Bryan Fields 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog61/home I'll be here, and Tim Osbourn W7RSZ as well. Is there anyone else going? I'd enjoy having a dinner or lunch breakout to meet with some of the AMPRnet users at NANOG. Post if you're going and we'll arrange something if we have some interest. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] Portal doesn't allow IPIP anycast via 44net
by Bryan Fields 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

On 4/11/14, 11:37 AM, lleachii(a)aol.com wrote: > It's much easier, and doesn't require a total reconfiguration of AMPR to > simply have Bart run a 44GW speaking rip 44 using his Public IP address as > the GWip - be advised that he is required to do so under the Terms of > Service: That's a heck of a jump in logic. I see nothing in there requiring anyone to run rip44d. All it means is you need have the ability of supplying connectivity to other hams in your area out of your subnet. I'm doing this via GRE and VPN dialers. I have little interest in connecting to the rest of AMPRnet hosts who are not rotatable in the global table. My interest is supplying access over RF using the AMPR space and setting up routed redundant multi-megabit links. What AMPRnet has running now is akin to the GRX network IMO. It's private with one interconnection to the internet. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] AMPRNet BGP vs non-BGP routing
by Bryan Fields 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

On 4/11/14, 11:32 AM, Bart Kus wrote: > It allows our microwave network to remain connected to the rest of > AMPRnet as long as we have at least 1 ISP that isn't dead. The > microwave network peers with the Internet at 2 different points at > present, but more points will come in the future. It's a robustness > improvement in the face of partial failures, like in a natural disaster > when an ISP's fiber gets torn or their building collapses. So this is a hack to correct for the hack of AMPRnet IPIP tunnels. Argh, it makes my head hurt. If AMPRnet was treated like any other network on the internet, this problem would go away. At worst anyone not redundantly connected to the global internet would lose connectivity if their small gateway went down. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [44net] AMPRNet BGP vs non-BGP routing (was: Portal doesn't allow IPIP anycast via 44net)
by Brian Kantor 11 Apr '14

11 Apr '14

As far as I know, because of routing restrictions on the amprgw network connectivity, hosts on BGP-announced subnets of 44/8 will be unable to communicate with hosts on tunnel-routed subnets of 44/8 unless the BGP-announced subnet also runs a listed tunnel router gateway with a non-44/8 gateway address. This is because the building-level router one hop upstream from amprgw has a fixed route directing all 44/8 traffic to amprgw. This building-level router does not speak BGP and so cannot learn about BGP-announced subnets of 44/8. This is a historical artifact; it predates the availability of BGP-announced 44/8 subnets by many years. We hope to change this topology in the future to connectivity with the border router that DOES speak BGP, but indications are that that change will not be able to be done soon. In the meantime, gateway tunnel routers with a non-44 gateway address (that's all of them, except HamWan's proposed gateway) are the workaround to this restriction. I'm sorry for this difficulty but it's what we're stuck with for now. - Brian

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Portal doesn't allow IPIP anycast via 44net
by Bart Kus 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

Hi, In trying to migrate HamWAN to IPIP anycast as discussed in a previous thread. I have run across a problem at the very last step. The relevant screenshot is at http://imgur.com/X2BfziT . Cannot attach the PNG due to message size restrictions. Basically, when I try to change the Gateway IP for our 44.24.240.0/20 subnet to be 44.24.221.1, I get the error message "Invalid gateway IP address". I'm sure this was intentionally coded at some point, but I believe this to be a design error. Here's why: 1) 44.24.221.1 is outside the associated prefix list for this gateway (44.24.240.0/20 only). 2) 44.24.221.0/24 will not be configured to have an IPIP gateway as it is being announced directly on the Internet. Given those two conditions, anyone with traffic for 44.24.240.0/20 can send it via Internet or IPIP to 44.24.221.1. When sending to 44.24.221.1 (outer IPIP header dst-addr), there should be no conflicting route and the default route should be taken, resulting in proper packet delivery to HamWAN. Can someone add this gateway manually and then fix the portal interface problem? Our tunnels are re-configured into the new desired state and awaiting packets. :) We are presently in AMPR tunnel downtime mode until that gateway is set + propagated. Thanks! --Bart

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Can't communicate with 44.0.0.1 from 44-space?
by Bart Kus 10 Apr '14

10 Apr '14

Hi, I have a couple traces to share: [eo@Seattle-ER1] > /tool traceroute address=44.0.0.1 src-address=209.189.196.68 # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 209.189.196.65 0% 10 1.9ms 0.8 0.4 1.9 0.5 2 209.189.202.195 0% 10 0.7ms 73.1 0.4 261 108.6 3 206.81.80.99 0% 10 0.7ms 5.1 0.5 10.7 3.9 4 69.28.171.145 0% 10 28ms 26.6 20 38.1 5.2 5 69.28.171.210 0% 10 22.8ms 21.4 18.6 31.9 3.9 6 198.32.176.33 0% 10 21.6ms 19.5 19.1 21.6 0.7 7 137.164.47.19 0% 10 21.4ms 24.1 21.4 29 2 8 137.164.46.67 0% 10 25.1ms 25.1 23.6 27.1 0.9 9 137.164.46.244 0% 10 34.7ms 33.5 32.4 35.6 1.2 10 137.164.47.15 0% 10 39.4ms 39.7 39.3 41.5 0.6 11 137.164.23.54 0% 10 39.7ms 40.2 39.5 43.2 1 12 132.239.254.163 0% 10 40.5ms 41.5 39.7 49.1 2.7 13 132.239.255.131 0% 10 39.6ms 40.2 39.6 43.1 1 14 44.0.0.1 10% 10 39.7ms 39.9 39.6 40.5 0.3 [eo@Seattle-ER1] > /tool traceroute address=44.0.0.1 src-address=44.24.242.22 # ADDRESS LOSS SENT LAST AVG BEST WORST STD-DEV STATUS 1 209.189.196.65 0% 5 0.7ms 1.3 0.5 2.5 0.7 2 209.189.201.195 0% 5 3.5ms 1.5 0.5 3.5 1.2 3 206.81.80.99 0% 4 0.4ms 4.1 0.4 8.1 3.5 4 69.28.171.145 0% 4 25.7ms 24.7 19.6 29.6 3.6 5 69.28.171.210 0% 4 34.7ms 25.3 21.5 34.7 5.5 6 198.32.176.33 0% 4 19.5ms 20.4 19.3 23.2 1.6 7 137.164.47.19 0% 4 23.7ms 23.6 21.9 25.4 1.3 8 137.164.46.1 0% 4 24.4ms 26.3 24.4 27.5 1.2 9 137.164.46.248 0% 4 36.1ms 33.8 32.1 36.1 1.5 10 137.164.47.111 0% 4 42.9ms 40.3 39.1 42.9 1.6 11 137.164.23.54 0% 4 41.2ms 45.8 39.8 61.6 9.1 12 100% 4 timeout 13 100% 4 timeout 14 100% 4 timeout 15 100% 4 timeout 16 100% 4 timeout They'll look like crap without monospace font, and I don't wanna use HTML cuz the content of my message will be torn out of the email and replaced with a web link. So, adjust your fonts + screen size accordingly to properly view the traces. The only difference between them is the source address. Both addresses are bound to that router. That router holds IPIP tunnels to every ENCAP.txt network. Since 44.0.0.1 is not one of these networks, there is no tunnel that covers that IP, so the packets go over the regular internet. We BGP announce 44.24.242.22, so the trace from that IP should succeed in theory. Can someone explain what's breaking here and how to fix it? Thanks, --Bart

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Linux Gateway Tutorial
by Neil Johnson 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

I'm trying to decide how to write a "How To" guide for setting up a Linux Gateway for the Wiki. I'm planning on basing it on the excellent guide found here (with Credit): http://marc.storck.lu/blog/2013/08/howto-setup-an-amprnet-gateway-on-linux/ But I'm wondering what level of Linux Administration and IP Networking Expertise I should assume. If I assume zero, it's going to be a looong guide, probably too long. Below is a link to the diagram I was planning to base the guide off of. AMPRNet Gateway Diagram - https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1xAcMbROBpbuRFY0tVf1VdBrAP0ZQwTsE6Eqokn2… Comments welcome. Thanks -Neil

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