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Wiki User Registration Impossible?
by Ryan Elliott Turner 29 Mar '14

29 Mar '14

Hey list, I'd love to document some of the recent discussion (private 44net space? rip vs encap? encap location?) but I can't edit any pages without being authenticated it seems. On top of that, there is no link to the registration URL. When I try to go to the registration URL ( http://wiki.ampr.org/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup ), I get the error "You do not have permission to create this user account". So, I'd love to help start documenting this stuff, but seems like I'll need some help myself first. -- Ryan Turner

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44Net Private addressing
by Rod Ekholm 29 Mar '14

29 Mar '14

I found a statement on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet that says: 44.128.0.0/16[edit<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=AMPRNet&action=edit&section=2> ] *44.128.x.x* is the testing subnet and consists of 65,536 (216) addresses. Much akin to 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 169.254.0.0/16 or 192.168.0.0/16, this is an unroutable private IP block<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network>. Connectivity to the rest of the network should be given through router gateways <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_(telecommunications)> much as one would do with Network address translation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation> in any other private IP block. Is this truly the case? When I look at the portal, this /16 would be towards the end of the US allocations, and just before the Japan allocations. If this is not true, do we have a Private block in the 44/8 for use that is not routable? -- Rod Ekholm kc7aad(a)gmail.com

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19
by Steve Wright 26 Mar '14

26 Mar '14

Interesting reading! I too would like to see a routed approach - all this clumsy tunnelling house of cards junk is never going to be reliable. The overly-managed approach doesn't help either. It needs to be far simpler to manage a /24 than what we have now. All the legal speak in that "contract" can get binned too. As far as outdoor links are concerned - why do you not use the Ubiquiti 2.4,3.3, and 5.8Ghz gear? It goes really really over long distances even without external amps, and will happily run in the ham bands. Steve On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 9:00 AM, <44net-request(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> wrote: > Send 44Net mailing list submissions to > 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 44net-request(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 44net-owner(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 44Net digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: amprnet portal (Bryan Fields) > 2. Re: amprnet portal (kb9mwr(a)gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:09:57 -0500 > From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> > To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > Subject: Re: [44net] amprnet portal > Message-ID: <52E595C5.9090303(a)bryanfields.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 1/26/14 2:20 PM, kb9mwr(a)gmail.com wrote: > > It would be interesting to hear more about how those other BGP > > announced chunks of 44net are using the space. > My segment 44.98.254.0/24 is being used for one PtP data link now, and > some > asterisk based repeater controllers. > I have email for kb9mci.net on it (but need to get SWIP/PTR going Brian > ;). > > My intent is to fire up some of the doodle labs 23cm link cards as we get > another repeater site and link it over on that space. As this grows over > the > next couple years it will be quite a high speed data network with VoIP as > the > primary purpose. Doing all the RF links in the ham bands is part of the > fun. > (anyone have a OFDM rated 20-30 watt amp for 23cm that's not $2k?) > > One of the pet peeves I've have is not being able to access the other AMPR > net > space with out tunnels. I think tunnels are just an ugly hack IMO. I'd > like > to see us transition into more of a regionally routed network, rather than > the > few BGP nets and UCSD gateway. Well aware of how much time this would take > I'm not ready to write up a proposal just yet (ampRFC?). > > If anyone wants a subnet I'd be happy to route it to you, as I'm not using > the > whole /24 and won't be for some time. Global routing policies being what > they > are, a /24 is the smallest subnet you can announce. > > My interest lies in high speed networks, and see little to no value in 9600 > baud IP networks in 2014 :) > > 73's > > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > 727-214-2508 - Fax > http://bryanfields.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:06:01 -0600 > From: kb9mwr(a)gmail.com > To: "44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu" <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu> > Subject: Re: [44net] amprnet portal > Message-ID: > < > CAK4XxyT5f_UxV5CpzHRX9O0QEtUbGxD0txexZHGRDQTTdA_9yg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Brian, > > Interesting, thanks for sharing. > > Amplifiers are something I really think the ham community needs to think > about. > > They exist, but like you say, but at outrageous prices. i.e.: > > http://www.shireeninc.com/300-500mhz-20-watts-outdoor-amplifier/ > > I have been reading Dubus magazine (focused on microwave), hoping to > read more data oriented construction articles. > > I am much in the same line of thinking. 1200 and 9600 is really not > worth re-deploying in 2014. The regulatory landscape needs some major > changes so that manufactures can put something different in the hands > of many. > > Steve > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > 44Net mailing list > 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu > http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net > > > End of 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 19 > ************************************ > -- Meshnetworks - Rangitaiki Plains Rural Broadband Internet Providers +64 21 040 5067

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 58
by Rob Janssen 26 Mar '14

26 Mar '14

44net-request(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu wrote: > I have had a couple requests to tailor my attempt to document setting > up a Linux AMPRNet gateway for the Raspberry Pi. > > I've just recently purchased a Pi and have been looking over the > documentation, and I don't think it will work for what I'm trying to > document. I have a quite simple setup for a Raspberry Pi as a Linux AMPRnet gateway, but in my experience everyone's setup is different and what works fine for me is not what other people want to use. My Raspberry Pi is in a datacenter so no NAT worries. It terminates all tunnels (IPIP) and users Marius' RIP daemon for automatic routing. This works very well after we have ironed out some problems. It also runs a local copy of KA9Q NET which I access from home via "screen", and it forwards a subnet of 44 adresses via an IPsec tunnel to my home machine, where several of these addresses are used to provide other services (e.g. WWW). The setup basically only brings up tunl0 and assigns an address, sets up a separate route table and rules for net-44, manually inserts a couple of routes and then fires up the ampr-ripd. Maybe 10 lines of bash code, that is all. As I wrote, the setup is very simple and the details vary enough for it to be less useful to others than I thought. I forwarded my complete config to a fellow amateur who has a Raspberry Pi as well, ready for him to load it, but he never did that and somehow prefers to build it again for himself. And probably that is better anyway, as most of the fun of building such a thing is the studying of the matter and the debugging. Tinkering with the Raspberry Pi and networking is like homebrewing, copying an existing configuration is like buying a shiny new Icom. Rob

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Re: [44net] Linux Gateway Tutorial
by kb9mwr＠gmail.com 26 Mar '14

26 Mar '14

--- Snip --- One of the major drawbacks to the IPIP tunnels used to transport AMPRNet data is that they don't work when you are using Network Address Translation (NAT). --- Snip --- I disagree. As long as protocol 4 is forwarded (or just use DMZ) it works fine. I use 192.168.1.X on all my normal stuff at home, and my Ras Pi running rip44d has a an address of 192.168.1.2. In my main home router I point DMZ to that address of the Pi. I use a single USB dongle and that interface has a 44.92.X.X address and connects to some Ubiquiti gear. Works fine. http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/wapr/tcpip/rip44d.html http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/wapr/tcpip/

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44net cool toys
by Steve Wright 25 Mar '14

25 Mar '14

Ok what are people actually DOING over their Internet-connected 44 radio net? VOIP? APRS? Video links? Repeater linking? IP cameras? Remote bases? Any innovative suggestions? Steve -- Meshnetworks - Rangitaiki Plains Rural Broadband Internet Providers +64 21 040 5067

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 3, Issue 57
by Steve Wright 25 Mar '14

25 Mar '14

> From: "Marius Petrescu" <marius(a)yo2loj.ro> > Why do you need to get off this list to do it another way? > That is the whole idea of this list: Find new ways, and share your ideas. > Boldly go where no one has gone before :-) Sorry, I received a very discouraging email from a list member. I'll go back to my usual tasks for a while. Steve

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Can't add redundant AMPR gateway to portal
by Bart Kus 25 Mar '14

25 Mar '14

Screenshot This network (44.24.240.0/20) is available via both 209.189.196.68 and 198.178.136.80. However, I'm unable to list more than one point of contact. I realize this was probably a design decision at some point, but it doesn't seem like a good idea from a redundancy perspective. --Bart PS: If you're wondering why the image looks like crap, it's to satisfy the puny 32kB message size limit of the list.

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Cannot find encap.txt file in portal
by Jesse Hindmarsh 25 Mar '14

25 Mar '14

Can someone tell me if the encap.txt file is still available in the portal? I was looking for it today and cannot seem to find it. Thanks Jesse - WC3XS

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Re: [44net] ampr.org IP addresses available for New Jersey.
by Bryan Fields 24 Mar '14

24 Mar '14

On 3/24/14, 7:22 PM, Robbie De Lise wrote: > Each link you setup between 2 nodes in the mesh needs a /30. > You can get 64 /30's in a /24. /31's are better :) http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3021.txt 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net

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