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Portal Messaging
by Geoff Joy -KE6QH- 03 Nov '19

03 Nov '19

Greetings, I received a "Contact Coordinator" message from the portal. How exactly are we supposed to reply to these? There is no "Messages" menu item in the coordinators menu. Am I supposed to reply directly to the other party or what? -- Geoff Joy - ke6qh - AmprNet IP Address Coordinator for San Bernardino & Riverside Counties. (44.18/16)

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NPR (New Packet Radio): Modems for sale (world-wide)
by f4hdk 28 Oct '19

28 Oct '19

Hello, There are lots of news about my project "New Packet Radio". Reminder, all info is here: https://hackaday.io/project/164092 A Chinese partner is now selling modems, assembled or kits, world-wide. Price is low : 80$ fully assembled, with aluminum enclosure. https://www.elekitsorparts.com/product/npr-70 I have improved the firmware, it's more stable, and it now allows the optional "FDD mode" (Frequency Division Duplex). With this optional feature, you can use the Master (=repeater) in duplex mode, with 2 modems (TX/RX) and a RF duplexer. The frequencies are different between uplink (from Clients to Master) and downlink (from Master to Clients). Clients are half duplex, with one single modem, switching very fast (300us) between uplink and downlink frequencies. The main goal is to put NPR master on tower where there is already a duplex repeater (FM or DMR or D-Star...), without interference between the 2 repeaters. Check all the documentation on hackaday for more details: mainly "Introduction", and "Advanced user guide". The new firmware is also on hackaday of course. Finally, I have written an article for "IEEE spectrum"; It's currently on the web, and it will be on the paper version in a few days. I hope it will bring some advertisement to my project, and to the modern amateur radio movement. https://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/build-a-longdistance-data-netw… If you have any question, just ask me. 73, Guillaume F4HDK

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Mailing list for Hamnet newbies
by f1sxo＠zulian.be 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hello, My knowledge and experience is lower than the participants on this mailling list. I don't understand most of the topics discussed . Examples : - What's the connection between Amprgw, Caida and USCD/NT? - Where can I find information about the structure of Amprgw ? Do you know a "Hamnet ML for newbies" ? :-) Frédéric F1sxo

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Re: [44net] 44Net Digest, Vol 8, Issue 168
by kd6oat 21 Oct '19

21 Oct '19

I am the Utah coordinator and appreciate Brian's comment that this matter should not be dealt with in this forum. Thank you. Ken - KD6OAT On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 1:00 PM <44net-request(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote: > Send 44Net mailing list submissions to > 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > 44net-request(a)mailman.ampr.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > 44net-owner(a)mailman.ampr.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of 44Net digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mikrotik hAP ac lite gateway configuration (Keith Kasin) > 2. Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC) (Ruben ON3RVH) > 3. Re: Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC) > (Paul Sladen) > 4. Re: Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC) > (Brian Kantor) > 5. Re: Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC) > (Bryan Fields) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:11:56 -0700 > From: Keith Kasin <ai6bx.keith(a)verizon.net> > To: "ai6bx.keith" <ai6bx.keith(a)verizon.net>, <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Subject: Re: [44net] Mikrotik hAP ac lite gateway configuration > Message-ID: <35EECA40-B9B8-4563-8D8A-FD7786A9A292(a)verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Greetings all. I am trying to set up a gateway on the MikroTik hAP lite > following the posted instructions at > http://wiki.ampr.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_gateway_on_MikroTik_Routers. A few > questions as I do not seem to be having success. At the end, prior to > installing scripts, I do have access to the broader Internet however still > have a 192.168.88.x address issued to my PC. > > > > Question on step 1: At first assign 44 Net address to your router > Interface You do it by the web : IP --> Addresses --> Add New , a new > screen will open , fill your 44 Net IP 44.xxx.YYY.ZZZ/your sub net (usually > it will be /24) feel the network it should usually be same as the IP but > with 0 in the end > > In the first I am using my 44 IP of 44.18.50.1/28 and then using the > 44.18.50.0 in the network slot. Is that correct? I then assigned this to > one of the LAN ports on the MikroTik which looks correct for the LAN IP > info as it does change this from the 192.168.88.x sequence. The checkbox > below that still shows as NAT, should this change to DHCP? > > > > Now some routes commands needed to be done > > 1) Route all the traffic to the tunnel interface > > You do it by : IP --> Routes and clicking on the 0.0.0.0 line and changing > the gateway to the tunnel interface name and clicking apply > > The command line in text is as follow > > If I use the /ip route > add distance=1 gateway=UCSD > > It creates a new entry showing UCSD however it does not connect. Am I > doing something wrong in this whole process? > > > > After creating the tunnel the following instruction does not yield an > editable gateway box as it would lead me to think it would so I cannot > select the UCSD gateway. I did also load the scripts linked at the bottom > of the page with edited IP addresses relevant to my networks and so not see > the routes table updating. > > > > Any assistance would be appreciated. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Keith ? AI6BX > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 11:18:07 +0000 > From: Ruben ON3RVH <on3rvh(a)on3rvh.be> > To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Subject: [44net] Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC) > Message-ID: > < > AM6PR01MB41829D7D296205CCC15C2F76D3690(a)AM6PR01MB4182.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all, > > Just wanted to get some background info on this one. We got a subnet > request from, who appeared to be KI7HOC located in Utah. > He requested a /24 and wanted to route that through BGP by AS208173 > (-- > organisation: ORG-TYRA2-RIPE > org-name: Jori Vanneste > descr: Tyrasuki > --) > > The ASN owner is located in Belgium and seems a bit shady to me looking > through the subnets he's announcing (one IPv4 /24 from Africa and a few > IPv6 subnets from APNIC, RIPE) and maintainers on the ASN (Singapore, > Sweden, Switserland, ..) > The email domain used, uses a whois hiding service and does not match > Alekzandr's email address on QRZ. Emailing Alekzandr on his QRZ email > address does not yield a respons, however returning the allocation request > to the requestor almost immediatly prompts a return through the AMPR portal > form. > > The details in the request: > -- > Name: Alekzandr Evans > Email: ampr(a)alekeagle.com<mailto:ampr@alekeagle.com> > Callsign: KI7HOC > -- > Note in the original request: "AE: The operator of the AS number posted > above lives in Belgium. Though I'm not sure if this would justify a Belgian > allocation, he recommended me to request a Belgian one." > -- > > My question would be if anybody on the list knows Alekzandr and can speak > to him if this request is legit or not. > >From his QRZ page, Alekzandr is 12, nothing wrong with that, but the way > that the email domain is using a whois hiding service makes me ponder if > this might be a scam from someone posing as Alekzandr trying to get a BGP > routed /24 for free. > > Has anyone else received a request from this callsign? > > Any input would be appreciated. We ended up denying the request as neither > Alekzandr, nor that Jori are a holder of a valid ON ham license and > Alekzandr did not respond to the question which ham services he would be > hosting on this subnet (I asked that question because of my suspicions) and > I haven't received any answer to my direct email to Alekzandr's qrz email > address neither. > > 73, > > Ruben - ON3RVH > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 13:01:11 +0100 (BST) > From: Paul Sladen <44net(a)paul.sladen.org> > To: Ruben ON3RVH via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Subject: Re: [44net] Registration request from Alekzandr Evans > (KI7HOC) > Message-ID: > <Pine.LNX.4.21.1910211237390.28516-100000(a)starsky.19inch.net> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019, Ruben ON3RVH via 44Net wrote: > > subnet request from, ... KI7HOC located in Utah. ... > > a /24 ... BGP by AS208173 ... located in Belgium > > https://as208173.net/ > https://as139347.net/ "Educational ASN for learning BGP." > > https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=RIPE&type=as-set&key=as-… > > The descriptions appear to be an experimental/educational network for > *learning BGP*. Very much in-tune with the AMPRNet stated goals. > > The request appears to be coming from a licensed HAM, with details all > technically correct and present. > > > domain used, uses a whois hiding service > > Most domain registrations now use some (automatic) hiding/obfuscation > of contact email addresses. Including (for example) for 'on3rvh.be'. > > > does not match Alekzandr's email address on QRZ. ... > > Email: ampr(a)alekeagle.com > > The 'ampr@' prefix shows a customisation for AMPRnet purposes. (cf. > '44net@' prefix in this email address, but 'qrz(a)p.s.o' on QRZ). > Such prefixes allow easy tracking of when email addresses have leaked. > > > in the original request: "AE: The operator of the AS number posted > > above lives in Belgium. Though I'm not sure if this would justify > > a Belgian allocation, he recommended me to request a Belgian one." > > ... > > We ended up denying the request as neither Alekzandr, > > Alekzandr has clearly stated the rationale for applying for a Belgium > assignment. > > Ideally the maintainers responsible for ONxxx and Kxxxx would, > firstly, work together to discuss the jurisdiction where the > assignment/application might most appropriately made. > > Would this be a good next-stop to take, in conjuction with Alekzandr? > > (Perhaps along with a humble apology to Alekzandr). > > 73, > -Paul > -- > Encourage those with an active interest! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 05:33:27 -0700 > From: Brian Kantor <Brian(a)bkantor.net> > To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Subject: Re: [44net] Registration request from Alekzandr Evans > (KI7HOC) > Message-ID: <20191021123327.GB14358(a)meow.BKantor.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I am dealing with this off-list. I don't think the 44net technical > discussion list is the appropriate forum for this matter. > > Let's not discuss it further here. > - Brian > > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 01:01:11PM +0100, Paul Sladen via 44Net wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Oct 2019, Ruben ON3RVH via 44Net wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:35:58 -0400 > From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> > To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> > Subject: Re: [44net] Registration request from Alekzandr Evans > (KI7HOC) > Message-ID: <4223801d-d49c-808f-b7a5-33bc1f78a03a(a)bryanfields.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On 10/21/19 8:01 AM, Paul Sladen via 44Net wrote: > > https://as208173.net/ > > https://as139347.net/ "Educational ASN for learning BGP." > > > https://apps.db.ripe.net/db-web-ui/#/lookup?source=RIPE&type=as-set&key=as-… > > > > The descriptions appear to be an experimental/educational network for > > *learning BGP*. Very much in-tune with the AMPRNet stated goals. > > > > The request appears to be coming from a licensed HAM, with details all > > technically correct and present. > > I've borrowed an ASN from others before, we're doing that for much of IP > space > we have live here in Florida. It's valid so long as you have an LOA for > it. > > I've found many people who request IPs may not be ready to announce them, > and > have no idea of the typical requirements. Much like "paper repeaters", > they > want to reserve "their" space, but are not ready to use it. > > I'd have asked who the upstream would be, and get an LOA from the AS > holder. > The whole regional administrator thing breaks a bit with sharing ASN's like > this, IMO it should be an application to Utah. That way he's got a local > person in his time zone to talk to. It could be 100% legit, best thing to > do > is get the docs and grant it. Get on the phone and verifying helps too. > > If it's not legit, we'll know in a week when the spam reports roll in :) > > A 12 year old running BGP is cool. I thought I was hot shit when I > migrated > to qmail at his age. > > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > 44Net mailing list > 44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org > https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of 44Net Digest, Vol 8, Issue 168 > ************************************* >

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Registration request from Alekzandr Evans (KI7HOC)
by Ruben ON3RVH 21 Oct '19

21 Oct '19

Hi all, Just wanted to get some background info on this one. We got a subnet request from, who appeared to be KI7HOC located in Utah. He requested a /24 and wanted to route that through BGP by AS208173 (-- organisation: ORG-TYRA2-RIPE org-name: Jori Vanneste descr: Tyrasuki --) The ASN owner is located in Belgium and seems a bit shady to me looking through the subnets he's announcing (one IPv4 /24 from Africa and a few IPv6 subnets from APNIC, RIPE) and maintainers on the ASN (Singapore, Sweden, Switserland, ..) The email domain used, uses a whois hiding service and does not match Alekzandr's email address on QRZ. Emailing Alekzandr on his QRZ email address does not yield a respons, however returning the allocation request to the requestor almost immediatly prompts a return through the AMPR portal form. The details in the request: -- Name: Alekzandr Evans Email: ampr(a)alekeagle.com<mailto:ampr@alekeagle.com> Callsign: KI7HOC -- Note in the original request: "AE: The operator of the AS number posted above lives in Belgium. Though I'm not sure if this would justify a Belgian allocation, he recommended me to request a Belgian one." -- My question would be if anybody on the list knows Alekzandr and can speak to him if this request is legit or not. >From his QRZ page, Alekzandr is 12, nothing wrong with that, but the way that the email domain is using a whois hiding service makes me ponder if this might be a scam from someone posing as Alekzandr trying to get a BGP routed /24 for free. Has anyone else received a request from this callsign? Any input would be appreciated. We ended up denying the request as neither Alekzandr, nor that Jori are a holder of a valid ON ham license and Alekzandr did not respond to the question which ham services he would be hosting on this subnet (I asked that question because of my suspicions) and I haven't received any answer to my direct email to Alekzandr's qrz email address neither. 73, Ruben - ON3RVH

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Re: [44net] Mikrotik hAP ac lite gateway configuration
by Keith Kasin 20 Oct '19

20 Oct '19

Greetings all. I am trying to set up a gateway on the MikroTik hAP lite following the posted instructions at http://wiki.ampr.org/wiki/Setting_up_a_gateway_on_MikroTik_Routers. A few questions as I do not seem to be having success. At the end, prior to installing scripts, I do have access to the broader Internet however still have a 192.168.88.x address issued to my PC. Question on step 1: At first assign 44 Net address to your router Interface You do it by the web : IP --> Addresses --> Add New , a new screen will open , fill your 44 Net IP 44.xxx.YYY.ZZZ/your sub net (usually it will be /24) feel the network it should usually be same as the IP but with 0 in the end In the first I am using my 44 IP of 44.18.50.1/28 and then using the 44.18.50.0 in the network slot. Is that correct? I then assigned this to one of the LAN ports on the MikroTik which looks correct for the LAN IP info as it does change this from the 192.168.88.x sequence. The checkbox below that still shows as NAT, should this change to DHCP? Now some routes commands needed to be done 1) Route all the traffic to the tunnel interface You do it by : IP --> Routes and clicking on the 0.0.0.0 line and changing the gateway to the tunnel interface name and clicking apply The command line in text is as follow If I use the /ip route add distance=1 gateway=UCSD It creates a new entry showing UCSD however it does not connect. Am I doing something wrong in this whole process? After creating the tunnel the following instruction does not yield an editable gateway box as it would lead me to think it would so I cannot select the UCSD gateway. I did also load the scripts linked at the bottom of the page with edited IP addresses relevant to my networks and so not see the routes table updating. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Keith – AI6BX Sent from my iPad

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AMPRGW down
by Brian Kantor 20 Oct '19

20 Oct '19

This morning, during routine maintenance, AMPRGW failed to reboot. We're looking into the failure now. No estimate on when it'll be back just yet. - Brian

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I remember IANA [RFC2468]
by Brian Kantor 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

Network Working Group V. Cerf Request for Comments: 2468 MCI Category: Informational October 1998 I REMEMBER IANA October 17, 1998 Status of this Memo This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (1998). All Rights Reserved. Remembrance A long time ago, in a network, far far away, a great adventure took place! Out of the chaos of new ideas for communication, the experiments, the tentative designs, and crucible of testing, there emerged a cornucopia of networks. Beginning with the ARPANET, an endless stream of networks evolved, and ultimately were interlinked to become the Internet. Someone had to keep track of all the protocols, the identifiers, networks and addresses and ultimately the names of all the things in the networked universe. And someone had to keep track of all the information that erupted with volcanic force from the intensity of the debates and discussions and endless invention that has continued unabated for 30 years. That someone was Jonathan B. Postel, our Internet Assigned Numbers Authority, friend, engineer, confidant, leader, icon, and now, first of the giants to depart from our midst. Jon, our beloved IANA, is gone. Even as I write these words I cannot quite grasp this stark fact. We had almost lost him once before in 1991. Surely we knew he was at risk as are we all. But he had been our rock, the foundation on which our every web search and email was built, always there to mediate the random dispute, to remind us when our documentation did not do justice to its subject, to make difficult decisions with apparent ease, and to consult when careful consideration was needed. We will survive our loss and we will remember. He has left a monumental legacy for all Internauts to Cerf Informational [Page 1] RFC 2468 I REMEMBER IANA October 1998 contemplate. Steadfast service for decades, moving when others seemed paralyzed, always finding the right course in a complex minefield of technical and sometimes political obstacles. Jon and I went to the same high school, Van Nuys High, in the San Fernando Valley north of Los Angeles. But we were in different classes and I really didn't know him then. Our real meeting came at UCLA when we became a part of a group of graduate students working for Professor Leonard Kleinrock on the ARPANET project. Steve Crocker was another of the Van Nuys crowd who was part of the team and led the development of the first host-host protocols for the ARPANET. When Steve invented the idea of the Request for Comments series, Jon became the instant editor. When we needed to keep track of all the hosts and protocol identifiers, Jon volunteered to be the Numbers Czar and later the IANA once the Internet was in place. Jon was a founding member of the Internet Architecture Board and served continuously from its founding to the present. He was the FIRST individual member of the Internet Society I know, because he and Steve Wolff raced to see who could fill out the application forms and make payment first and Jon won. He served as a trustee of the Internet Society. He was the custodian of the .US domain, a founder of the Los Nettos Internet service, and, by the way, managed the networking research division of USC Information Sciences Institute. Jon loved the outdoors. I know he used to enjoy backpacking in the high Sierras around Yosemite. Bearded and sandaled, Jon was our resident hippie-patriarch at UCLA. He was a private person but fully capable of engaging photon torpedoes and going to battle stations in a good engineering argument. And he could be stubborn beyond all expectation. He could have outwaited the Sphinx in a staring contest, I think. Jon inspired loyalty and steadfast devotion among his friends and his colleagues. For me, he personified the words "selfless service". For nearly 30 years, Jon has served us all, taken little in return, indeed sometimes receiving abuse when he should have received our deepest appreciation. It was particularly gratifying at the last Internet Society meeting in Geneva to see Jon receive the Silver Medal of the International Telecommunications Union. It is an award generally reserved for Heads of State, but I can think of no one more deserving of global recognition for his contributions. While it seems almost impossible to avoid feeling an enormous sense of loss, as if a yawning gap in our networked universe had opened up and swallowed our friend, I must tell you that I am comforted as I contemplate what Jon has wrought. He leaves a legacy of edited documents that tell our collective Internet story, including not only Cerf Informational [Page 2] RFC 2468 I REMEMBER IANA October 1998 the technical but also the poetic and whimsical as well. He completed the incorporation of a successor to his service as IANA and leaves a lasting legacy of service to the community in that role. His memory is rich and vibrant and will not fade from our collective consciousness. "What would Jon have done?", we will think, as we wrestle in the days ahead with the problems Jon kept so well tamed for so many years. There will almost surely be many memorials to Jon's monumental service to the Internet Community. As current chairman of the Internet Society, I pledge to establish an award in Jon's name to recognize long-standing service to the community, the Jonathan B. Postel Service Award, which will be awarded to Jon posthumously as its first recipient. If Jon were here, I am sure he would urge us not to mourn his passing but to celebrate his life and his contributions. He would remind us that there is still much work to be done and that we now have the responsibility and the opportunity to do our part. I doubt that anyone could possibly duplicate his record, but it stands as a measure of one man's astonishing contribution to a community he knew and loved. Security Considerations Security issues are not relevant to this Remembrance. Author's Address Vinton G. Cerf MCI EMail: vcerf(a)mci.net Cerf Informational [Page 3] RFC 2468 I REMEMBER IANA October 1998 Full Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (1998). All Rights Reserved. This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied, published and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are included on all such copies and derivative works. However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, such as by removing the copyright notice or references to the Internet Society or other Internet organizations, except as needed for the purpose of developing Internet standards in which case the procedures for copyrights defined in the Internet Standards process must be followed, or as required to translate it into languages other than English. The limited permissions granted above are perpetual and will not be revoked by the Internet Society or its successors or assigns. This document and the information contained herein is provided on an "AS IS" basis and THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Cerf Informational [Page 4]

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Search for a French mailling list
by f1sxo＠zulian.be 09 Oct '19

09 Oct '19

Hello, Do you know an active french mailling list about Hamnet? 73, F1sxo Frédéric ZULIAN

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How long does it take to get allocated?
by Harley Ge 08 Oct '19

08 Oct '19

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