27 Sep
2023
27 Sep
'23
4:41 a.m.
On 27 Sep 2023, at 10:11, Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
In this case, as it is to provide an amateur radio club with a ham related service
(assuming club members would use it generally for ham purposes of course) then I see no
issue with that. The only caveat is that, as the named person on the LOA, you remain
responsible for how the IPs are used, so you would want to protect yourself by ensuring
there was a decent firewall in place and that club members adhere to agreed terms of use.
That being said, if this is *just* to bypass a draconian ISP and provide general internet
access for your club, i.e. browsing the www etc, then it would be a terrible waste of IP
address space as you could achieve the same result with a Vultr VM and tunnel from your
club to the VM over a VPN link and NAT the VM’s single public IP. You don’t need 44net
address space to do that.
73,
Chris - G1FEF
> * Providing general outbound internet access
for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated
amateur radio frequencies
Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue
of accessing HTTPS / encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported over
amateur RF frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to licence
restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general internet access to third
parties.
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK
licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet
access to Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some broad
questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't consider UK
license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the source IP for
general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired / wireless Ethernet operating
outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the underlying network is provided by a
landlord and NAT or an aggressive firewall is causing issues.
Thanks
Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
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Tom,
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with Amateurs
Dave
From: Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
Subject: [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi Dave
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume blocked for
purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can you share please on what
basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the ‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’
limitation in the licence?
Cheers
Tom
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:
Matthew,
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your
station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF.
Dave
G4UGM
From: Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org
<mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM
To: 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>
Subject: [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
The Terms of Service <https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/> states:
"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the purpose of
Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other special uses as may be agreed
to by ARDC"
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of acceptable use cases? A
few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted or not:
Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public internet, including
from non radio amateurs.
Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether
its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies
Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server for discussing cars,
but it's only reachable from other 44net addresses and RF users
Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services that might need to
pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers.
Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a DMR Master, to other
radio amateur related servers outside of 44net
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
2E0SIP
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