On 27 Sep 2023, at 10:11, Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful.
- Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies
Not a good idea - apart from the obvious issue of accessing HTTPS / encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported over amateur RF frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to licence restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general internet access to third parties.
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF
Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some broad questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't consider UK license conditions.
Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the source IP for general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired / wireless Ethernet operating outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the underlying network is provided by a landlord and NAT or an aggressive firewall is causing issues.
In this case, as it is to provide an amateur radio club with a ham related service (assuming club members would use it generally for ham purposes of course) then I see no issue with that. The only caveat is that, as the named person on the LOA, you remain responsible for how the IPs are used, so you would want to protect yourself by ensuring there was a decent firewall in place and that club members adhere to agreed terms of use.
That being said, if this is *just* to bypass a draconian ISP and provide general internet access for your club, i.e. browsing the www etc, then it would be a terrible waste of IP address space as you could achieve the same result with a Vultr VM and tunnel from your club to the VM over a VPN link and NAT the VM’s single public IP. You don’t need 44net address space to do that.
73, Chris - G1FEF
Thanks Matthew
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Tom,
No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with Amateurs
Dave
From: Tom M0LTE via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org Subject: [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi Dave
I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume blocked for purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can you share please on what basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the ‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?
Cheers
Tom
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Matthew,
Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF.
Dave
G4UGM
From: Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM To: 44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org Subject: [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service
Hi all,
The Terms of Service https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/ states:
"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of acceptable use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted or not:
Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public internet, including from non radio amateurs. Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server for discussing cars, but it's only reachable from other 44net addresses and RF users Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers. Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers outside of 44net Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew 2E0SIP
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