24 Apr
2022
24 Apr
'22
6:02 a.m.
Rob... I'm sure you are aware that there are very clear distinctions
between offering network, email, web, voip, ntp and the many other services
that make up what we consider to be the internet today?
All these parts are put together with varying levels of skill, resources,
hardware and service-specific expertise. 44net (AMPR, ARDC etc) offer
network services, they are an NSP, the people that would for the
organisation and provide the service, although may well be inclined and
skilled in such a way to rebuild a mail server, they are not mail-service
providers. The mailing list is ancillary to their core-service, as such
they felt the best thing to do now is perhaps find a provider, that has a
core-competency in mailing list management.
It is for the users of 44net to make-up the services that reside on the
44net service and if the person that volunteered their time, resources and
effort into maintaining a now defunct mail-server now decides he no longer
wishes to do so, it makes perfect sense that what is considered an
incredibly well-used resource is hosted elsewhere, where any of the
previous oversights, such as backups, will be maintained under an SLA with
a provider who offer those services.
I've worked with the amateur radio community long enough to know that the
callsign comes with a sense of 'entitlement' that empowers its holders to
almost 'demand' the free services they are using not only continue to be
free indefinately (doable) but also in such a way that appeases them (not
so much)... If you feel so strongly that in the spirit of ham radio that
someone volunteer their time, resources and effort in to hosting a mailman
service.... you do it!
I'm an IT professional, I could host the service quite easily at my QTH or
on one of the VPS I have, but I have to ensure that user data is protected
and secure, isn't succumbed to cyber-offenses and that the service has a
reasonable level of availability and it's usage conforms to the many
regulartory domains that exist across the world... Doing to for free,
doesn't negate liability by the way ;) So, I passed on the opportunity to
raise my hand... and anyone else considering it needs to read the above
first.
Thats my 2-pence... ;)
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 10:40, Rob PE1CHL via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
wrote:
On 4/24/22 11:26, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net wrote:
but
route to our "normal" e-mail address we will probably find ourselves
black listed, fighting spam filters and trying to manage SPF DKIM and DMARC
frameworks.
Is that a concern with the existing mailing list?
My understanding is that a server crashed, there were no good backups, and
it had to be recovered.
And now we suddenly find ourselves in a discussion about "hosting it
somewhere else", "maling list providers find themselves in trouble", etc.
I agree with Toussaint that providing network services is our core
business and we should not outsource it.
From earlier messages I understand that "groups.io" is both an external
service that can handle all your needs, and a provider of opensource
software that you can host yourself. The latter could be an option to use.
But I think when we have to declare that we cannot host our own solution
and that others do it so much better, the time has come to dismantle 44Net.
When we cannot even host a mailinglist, no need to boast anymore about how
we provide "emergency communications" as HAMs, and other unique services.
Rob
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> --
> Moreover, we are HAM radio operators managing a dedicated IP network.
> Why should we use external/commercial solutions for our internal
> communications ? My opinion is that, when possible, we should, use
"internal"
services,
based on free software, and self-hosted on 44net servers.
The issue here is that if we continue to use a locally hosted solution, Any one who follows the groups.io managers lists
will be aware of the
many problems they face, but they have a central team that
helps sort out
the problems.
The real issue is that many mail providers want
to advertise low spam
levels, but most users never as the million dollar question,
"how much
legitimate e-mail do you drop without it going to my spam box".
As such e-mail is simply discarded the users know
nothing about it.
Of course we could also set up our own mail system as well that would
work on the
44 net but are we really about duplicating existing
infrastructure?