On 2014-04-02 18:09, Robbie De Lise wrote:
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But we still have this legacy space.
I think people should look at this space as a network first and medium/content/errata second. What's the point of interconnection to the larger world if you don't use it?
Agreed.
HAM-Radio nowadays is so much more then just "Radio".
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Very well stated.
Most of my dayjob is still about big corporate lan networks, connected by vpn tunnels and being natted to a few public ips.
Yep. Same here. Except with high capacity wifi links.
But I want to experiment with more. I want to experiment with the internet with public IPs, see what happens, I want to experiment with BGP, transit and peering.
Yes. Exactly. And that's almost impossible to do these days, given that you need to justify a /24 (and I think the minimum now is a /22 , but a /24 is the minimum the global routing table will see).
And I have found a group of HAMs who share my passion and we have build a big wireless network as our playground, based on commercial wifi equipment.
Excellent. Is this in the US? FNF would love to work with you guys!
And I learn from him. On the other hand I am
fluent in debugging computernetworks. And they learn from me. And everyone who is working on our network has his own passions in the ham radio community that they can apply to other parts of ham radio and learn from eachother.
Yes. Exactly. It's the community that is key. Ask for all the knowledge and give all the knowledge you have. It's how the state of the art is pushed forward.
And in the end, what is more beautiful about HAM-Radio then sharing a hobby, learning from eachothers subdisciplines within hamradio, working as a team, learning who they are, and also learning who you yourself are ? This is my eyes the Ham spirit.
Yes. Exactly.
44net makes this possible for hams interested in TCP/IP (and udp, icmp, and so on ofcourse :)) We have it. Lets use it.
But leave everyone free to use it as they see fit. If you want to route it to the public internet via BGP, go ahead. If you want to close it off so only other 44net users can use it, thats fine too. If you like another way of connecting all the subnets together instead of the ipip & gateway list system, build it, propose it, show it, experiment, work together with other people. That is the ham-spirit.
Is that ipip/gateway system documented somewhere? I'm just getting up to speed on the community and resources here. Is there a wiki or something I should review so I don't ask too many stupid n00b questions? :)
I personally would recommend openvpn to connect folks up. Or tinc/n2n (which seem to have some lower overhead). Or actual links (long range wifi on the cheap/lower bandwidth/expeditious side, ride a dark fiber circuit in region on the high bandwdith/slow setup/expensive side. ) Does the space have to be used only over HAM frequencies/gear? This space is primarily for experimentation/research/learning? Several research fibernets exist. I'd be happy to make some connections, they would love this.
Thanks all, and apologies for too many questions from a n00b to the community!