27 Sep
2023
27 Sep
'23
12:36 p.m.
In this case, as it is to provide an amateur radio club with a ham related
service (assuming club members would use it generally for ham purposes of
course) then I see no issue with that. The only caveat is that, as the
named person on the LOA, you remain responsible for how the IPs are used,
so you would want to protect yourself by ensuring there was a decent
firewall in place and that club members adhere to agreed terms of use.
That being said, if this is *just* to bypass a
draconian ISP and provide
general internet access for your club, i.e. browsing the www etc, then it
would be a terrible waste of IP address space as you could achieve the same
result with a Vultr VM and tunnel from your club to the VM over a VPN link
and NAT the VM’s single public IP. You don’t need 44net address space to do
that.
Hi Chris,
Yes that all makes sense, thanks for clarifying everything.
Thanks
Matthew
2E0SIP
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Geoff Joy via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
wrote:
The “license” being referred to in that section is the
ARDC license to use
the IP addresses assigned to the Ham for use under the TOS, not to the
Amateur radio license assigned to him by his country.
Perhaps a better phrasing might be “…by ARDC within the limits allowed by
the class of Ham license of the assignee and applicable regulations.”
This is a TOS that assumed applicable laws already prevail and the
contract is between ARDC and the assignee and it doesn’t presume to
describe the obligations of the assignee under his country’s laws and
regulations.
Ultimately, it is not incumbent upon ARDC to provide advice or examples of
acceptable use because it is the responsibility of the Ham license holder
to know and inform himself of the regulations applicable to him under the
terms he accepted when obtaining his amateur radio license.
-KE6QH-
On Sep 27, 2023, at 08:12, Mark Phillips via 44net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
wrote:
*"**Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the
purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other
special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"*
*Erm .... no it does not. I hold licenses in both the US and UK and
nowhere in my license conditions does it say this. I think ARDC needs to
modify this statement to something like "possesition of a amateur radio
licence permits You to ....."*
*Mark G7LTT/NI2O*
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 10:55 PM Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net <
44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi all,
The Terms of Service <https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/>
states:
*"**Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for
the purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other
special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"*
I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of
acceptable use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted
or not:
- Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public
internet, including from non radio amateurs.
- Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs
connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated
amateur radio frequencies
- Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server
for discussing cars, but it's *only *reachable from other 44net
addresses and RF users
- Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services
that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers.
- Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a
DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers *outside* of 44net
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Matthew
2E0SIP
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