Rob;
On Sun, 2019-07-21 at 09:30 +0200, Rob Janssen via 44Net wrote:
Do you really think that the abundancy of elderly users in the amateur radio community is to be used as a reason not to change anything anymore until they all are dead? Should there be no development anymore just because these people cannot learn? Should we all stand still just because of that?
That's not what I said at all.
That is a very narrowminded view. The fact that you could make it work does not mean that it works for everyone. We sometimes see the struggles here when people try to join, and I can tell you that joining the system I propose (and that we have had running here for several years, and is running in some other regions as well) is much easier to join.
If you reread what I wrote and understood the principle of the message what I said was that we shouldn't "eliminate" what's already there as far as connectivity for those who may or may not understand what it is we do. I did not say HALT, do not go further at all. I did suggest that we don't create a "tower of babel" effect as they've done with digital voice repeaters now. I can't understand how this is "narrow minded".
One thing a lot of end user points will always suffer regardless of the methods of routing will be that of their ISPs edge router whether they're using VPN, IPIP, etc. If they have no link to their ISP, the rest is all moot.
We need to keep what we do in the most layman's of terms so those who are trying to learn can understand what it is we're doing, what we're looking to do, and what our goals are. Often we all forget that many on this list know terminologies of certain things that doesn't mean that those on amprnet who are NOT on this list also do. That also was apparently another of my narrow minded points that was missed.