ah, very true regarding the /24. okay, interesting, i was just curious.
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:48 AM James Sharp james@fivecats.org wrote:
Most carriers won’t accept a BGP announcement for anything under a /24. If you want to get a amprnet /24 and announce it, there’s forms on the ampr.org portal that Brian has to sign off for the LOA.
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On Nov 9, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Tony Ellis tonyellis3.te@gmail.com wrote:
How does it work, for example, if someone happens to have a business
grade
ISP circuit, BGP, and would like to advertise out a portion of the 44/8
to
the public internet. What organization (HAM organization) does that go through, can a form be filled out to get a /29 of something out of that
/8
for of course the purpose of HAM.
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:23 AM Mike Vespoli mvespoli@gmail.com
wrote:
Addresses are both valuable and worthless. They have a incalculable
value
to the AMPR community. 95% or more of the users of this group will
never
get a chance to actually have a chance to get access to a block of
public
addresses to play with and learn. Sure selling access to the IP
addresses
(there would not be a way to lease properly Amazon or Googe would NEVER give them back, and ultimately lawyer up and stop paying the group.)
Plus
wouldn't that invalidate the charter or this whole thing were it is to
be
used for non-commercial purposes??? I would say if we open that box it will start the clock to where we loose this whole thing.
I say leave it as is... This is just like RF spectrum. we are granted
use
of our little slice and would never think of giving that up... Why
would
we think of doing the same here.
Also. Anyone who wants server space or a place to land thier addresses
I
have plenty of free space available (physical and virtual) in my Denver Data Center.... Only for AMPR/Hams.... Just message me and we can work something out..
Mike Vespoli KE0HFH
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 8:48 AM Lin Holcomb <
LHolcomb@clearqualitygroup.com
wrote:
What I am getting at is this is millions of dollars worth of IP real estate. There are no rules defining how it is to be used other than
self
imposed rules. As the market seems to be at a peek I think it is worth discussion to
lease
addresses to some major player like Google or Amazon in exchange for
POP
access, funding of an endowment for future research, hardware, ect.
What
is the value of lets say 2 million contiguous addresses on the open
market?
Lin N4YCI
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM Mark Phillips g7ltt@g7ltt.com
wrote:
"I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the space"
This has been happening for quite some time. When I first arrived in America some 20 years ago to work for NASDAQ I discovered that their
test
network was using the 44/8 series of IP's. I flagged this up at the
time
o
this list. Luckily for us they are using it as a private point to
point
network.
Mark G7LTT/NI2O
On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 7:58 AM Lin Holcomb <
LHolcomb@clearqualitygroup.com
wrote:
I would see a more likely situation of a theft of parts of the space.
This
has already occurred on a small scale. It takes money to defend
patents
it
talks money to operate 16m addresses.
I was just suggesting lease a few blocks to have income to further
the
use
by hams, provide capital to provide low cost pops and have additional access points in the event the deal at UCSD ever goes away. Do this
while
the price is high to form an endowment to run the technology in the
future.
Lin On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 6:10 AM Tony Ellis tonyellis3.te@gmail.com
wrote:
> IPv6 is already here. My mobile phone is dual stack, IPv4 and
IPv6,
it
> will continue to grow and like everything, it is just a matter of
time.
> Some of my ISP's are dual stacked, etc. Will IPv4 go away, my best
guess
> is 2090....??? > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 9:40 PM Neil Johnson <
neil.johnson@erudicon.com
> wrote: > >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18407173 >> >> >> Note: I'm NOT advocating anything like that for 44.0.0.0/8. >> >> It's just going to be fun to watch the market for IPv4 address
space
boom >> and then bust when IPv6 adoption finally reaches critical mass. >> >> -Neil, N0SFH >> -- >> Neil Johnson >>