[44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service

In my opinion, the issues of applicable radio regulations aren't to be mixed with the ARDC acceptable use policy. They are two separate things. The ARDC is not in a position to advise hams in the various countries what is permitted and what is not by their regulators. The use policy concerns use of the loaned address space. Bickering or advise about radio regulations can be done outside of this list. On Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 4:23 AM Peter Hannay via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote: In relation to general internet access you prevent access to encrypted services via traffic inspection or use a transparent proxy to strip encryption upstream before it hits the radio link. Some sites would break if they use HSTS, but many services would work just fine. You'd want to make sure users understand this though, as accessing anything that requires a login would be a terrible idea. Just some thoughts I've had as I'm planning to provide some limited access to the internet via RF and want to make sure I'm doing things in a completely above board manner. Cheers Peter VK6HAX On Wed, 27 Sept 2023, 5:12 pm Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net, &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote: Hi all, Thanks for the speedy responses, very helpful. amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies HTTPS / encrypted sites then having that encrypted data transported over amateur RF frequencies (which would not be permitted in a lot of countries due to licence restrictions) there is also the grey area of providing general internet access to third parties. not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF Yes I didn't really think that one though sorry. I was trying to ask some broad questions to get a general feel for what's acceptable and didn't consider UK license conditions. Slightly different tack in that case, could 44net space be used as the source IP for general internet access to a club radio shack, over wired / wireless Ethernet operating outside of the amateur bands? Let's assume the underlying network is provided by a landlord and NAT or an aggressive firewall is causing issues. Thanks Matthew On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 9:54 AM dave.g4ugm--- via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote: Tom,____ No third party traffic on UK licences. You can communicate only with Amateurs____ Dave____ __ __ *From:*Tom M0LTE via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:37 AM *To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> *Subject:* [44net] Re: Clarification on Terms of Service____ __ __ Hi Dave____ __ __ I have no skin in the game, but I am curious- encryption aside (assume blocked for purposes of question, regardless of technical feasibility) can you share please on what basis you reach that conclusion? Purely on the ‘encryption for the purpose of obscuration’ limitation in the licence?____ __ __ Cheers____ Tom____ __ __ __ __ On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 at 09:30, dave.g4ugm--- via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:____ Matthew,____ Regardless of what the ARDC rules are your UK licence does not permit you to use your station to provide general outbound internet access to Amateurs via RF.____ Dave____ G4UGM____ ____ ____ ____ *From:*Matthew H (2E0SIP) via 44net &lt;44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:02 AM *To:* 44net(a)mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> *Subject:* [44net] Clarification on Terms of Service____ ____ Hi all,____ The Terms of Service <https://www.ardc.net/about/legal/terms-of-service/> states: /"Your license permits You to use certain addresses exclusively for the purpose of Amateur Radio communications and experimentation, or other special uses as may be agreed to by ARDC"/ I was wondering if this was clarified anywhere with examples of acceptable use cases? A few examples that I'm curious if they're permitted or not:____ * Hosting a radio club website that's accessible from the public internet, including from non radio amateurs.____ * Providing general outbound internet access for radio amateurs connecting via RF, whether its AX.25 or WiFi operating on the allocated amateur radio frequencies____ * Hosting not strictly amateur radio services such as an IRC server for discussing cars, but it's /only /reachable from other 44net addresses and RF users____ * Providing general outbound internet access to servers and services that might need to pull software updates from non-radio amateur servers. ____ * Providing connectivity to a radio amateur related server such as a DMR Master, to other radio amateur related servers /outside/ of 44net____ Any guidance would be appreciated. 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