25 Jul
2013
25 Jul
'13
5:29 p.m.
Op 25-07-13 19:19, YT9TP op. Pedja schreef:
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On 25.07.13. 16:54, PE1RDW wrote:
You are contradicting a litle, if they are close enough for 2m/70cm then
they are close enough for mobile phone internet, if it is a dx-pedition
or remote farm they won't be in vhf and uhf range in the first place and
500 euro investment and 50 euro monthly fee is low compared to the other
costs and even if it is just one time then can just rent it for 70 to
100 euro per month all in, that is only twice what you would pay for a
qualety adsl connection.
maybe we should start to ask if getting wide use of AMPR is the goal we
are after, anything we can do on AMPR and packet we can do better on
internet, afterall we are discussing this on an internet mailinglist and
not on the packet network, I think one of the most active discusions on
packet network is on sysop@ww about the misrouting by other sysops, that
makes me conclude that only sysops are using the network just like only
gateways and lap sysops use the AMPR net.
This is not realy a bad thing, just a realisation that we do what we do
for ourselfs.
73 Andre PE1RDW
Even rural location can get relative wideband
internet for not to much
money, 6 Mb/s down trough 2way satelite nowedays can be had for about
500 euro hardware and 50 euro per month so even those will not be
convinced on usabilety, it's all about because you can.
I do not know how is it over there, but here, noone would pay 500 EUR
for equipment and 50 as monthly price, especially for remote location
which is used only for DX and contesting.
If I cannot manage to allow people to use old obsolete 2m/70cm
walkie-talkie, antenna, laptop and simple audio cables to connect to
AMPRNet, then I would not do it at all, as that is the most I can
expect from people to be ready to invest. And one more thing, it is
required that they do not have to mangle with settings. Setting things
up should be as simple as possible.
If they have to invest more, or mess with settings they will not. If
is much simpler and cheaper to buy mobile network internet stick and
have it all working in a minute, they will choose that.
People will do something if it is interesting. There is nothing
interesting for them in spending money on expensive technology that is
already behind.
I am ready to do something just to do it, as I like to set up and use
any kind of communication. I believe most of us on this list do so.
But we are minority. If goal is to get AMPR into wide use, then it has
to have some purpose that justifies investments in equipment and
hassle of learning.
Over here we created quite a nice national network of wireless
communities, all with iBGP and stuff. It looks really nice and we
learned a lot while making it. But it is not in use. We do
occasionally ping and traceroute through just to see and admire how it
works. Common people are not interested in that. Not even if we offer
Internet access for free. They do not see the point to buy WiFi
equipment as they get full internet through ADSL or cable with free
devices included. The only people interested are those that cannot get
internet otherwise.
Pedja YT9TP