Maybe we should point them to a basic Cisco networking course? ;)

People have to realize that ANY network, 44net or the public internet, is just not as plug-and-play as some YouTube videos from DCCC and others make it sound. You either have to study the basics of networking or find a local elmer/mentor to help you. There is just SO much that any network can be used for. First, determine what you want to use it for and why. Second, is the 44net address space better for your project than the public internet and why. Third, how complex do you want your network space to be. If you can't answer these basic questions, then you are in WAY over your head. No amount of bugging someone else or videos will stuff the required knowledge into your head any faster than the rise of your frustration level that makes you realize that you have wasted time and money.

On 4/4/2024 3:04 PM, Steve L via 44net wrote:

While I hear what you are saying, and I encourage anyone and everyone to document their particular use and setup.......

In reality in computer networking there is no one way to implement a network.  Network size and use cases will be the largest implementation factors.

There is no one size fits all, and their is no easy plug in play in networking.  If all you need is a single endpoint then of course that is fairly simple.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 12:45 PM Lori Guidos via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

Wouldn't it be great if we had youtube videos and Wikis implemented
for this.
Online education should be a goal.

Best,

Lori Guidos
KE6INO

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:42 AM Dave Kelley via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:

    Greetings!

    Is there a good place to find a good explanation of how to
    implement the 44 network?  I’m probably making things more
    complicated in my head than they really are, but I don’t want to
    configure things wrong.

    Thanks!!

    73

    Dave, AI7R

ARDC is definitely working on capturing this documentation. This is a community and we welcome additions to the documentation. If anyone would like to help, please join https://ardc.groups.io/g/wiki and ask for edit privileges.

For general IP networking there is plenty of information online from various sources, so our focus will be on the specifics of 44Net.

While on https://ardc.groups.io you will find several topical subgroups.

ARDC technical resources are working on a new landing spot/website to act as a hub for anything 44Net and working hard to bring up our new VPN service with integration to https://portal.ardc.net

See a short video interview at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm6wXZ9Xst0 where we mention the VPN service, planned to be released later this year.

73 de K7VE

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 3:06 PM Tony Langdon via 44net < 44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

Definitely educating people on basic IP networking would be a good thing, so people have a basic working understanding of what they're getting into.

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John D. Hays Kingston, WA K7VE / WRJT-215

I can break down the connection into two parts, each with their own subparts.  A possible categorisation could be:

Part 1 - Connecting to amprnet.  This part describes the act of connecting to the wider network using a connection method of your choice.  Here there's 3 main possibilities:

a) BGP - for when you want to connect your subnet directly to the Internet for Internet facing services or better Internet access (where permitted).  BGP has a specific process with multiple components, including authorisation (getting a LOA from ARDC and working with your NSP) and advertising routes (provider dependent, but commonly used providers like Vultr could be specifically documented).

b) IPIP mesh - here methods to connect your gateway to the IPIP mesh can be documented, including requirements (like needing to be able to pass IP protocol 44 to your host/router).

c) VPN - Instructions on how to use any official ARDC VPN system to connect to the network.

A lot of the above is actually documented, I've been able to follow the existing documentation for these steps, though I do agree having more formats would be useful for some - I personally find instructional videos useless, but many people find them helpful, which is a good reason for someone who's interested to produce them and donate that effort to the community.

Part 2 - This is how you structure your local network behind your gateway.  Here, the choices for configuration are practically endless and limited by one's imagination and available systems and needs.  Probably the best people can do here is present their own configurations as working options for others to look at - the wiki as well as YouTube would definitely be good media options here.

In my case, I currently have two very different configurations running.  For my BGP range, I have a Vultr VPS announcing my /24 to the world.  Half of my range (/25) terminates on that VPS, while the other /25 is routed via a tunnel to another VPS, to provide additional public IPs for services hosted there (pre existing Echolink conferences and additional proxies).  The different routes for the /25s are announced to Vultr in my bird.conf, while the entire /24 is announced to the world as a single route (as required).

On my IPIP range, I terminate my IPIP tunnel on another VPS, where being on the open Internet and away from my other networks simplifies the configuration.  To get traffic to here, I use ZeroTier to create a virtual LAN, with the remote gateway as the router for the subnet.  I can either connect each host on my LAN directly vis ZeroTier, or I have created a bridged LAN segment where I can connect hosts directly via Ethernet and assign them an IP from my range.  There are some configuration details worthy of documentation here, from setting up the basic network and assigning IPs to directly connected clients, to setting up the bridge and also enabling the use of public addresses (44.x is public address space) and optionally setting the default route via ZeroTier.

On 5/4/24 6:04 am, Steve L via 44net wrote:

While I hear what you are saying, and I encourage anyone and everyone to document their particular use and setup.......

In reality in computer networking there is no one way to implement a network.  Network size and use cases will be the largest implementation factors.

There is no one size fits all, and their is no easy plug in play in networking.  If all you need is a single endpoint then of course that is fairly simple.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 12:45 PM Lori Guidos via 44net <44net@mailman.ampr.org mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org> wrote:

Wouldn't it be great if we had youtube videos and Wikis
implemented for this.
Online education should be a goal.

Best,

Lori Guidos
KE6INO

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:42 AM Dave Kelley via 44net
<44net@mailman.ampr.org <mailto:44net@mailman.ampr.org>> wrote:

    Greetings!

    Is there a good place to find a good explanation of how to
    implement the 44 network?  I’m probably making things more
    complicated in my head than they really are, but I don’t want
    to configure things wrong.

    Thanks!!

    73

    Dave, AI7R
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