Hello AMPR folk,
I'm curious if there is an map of *active* geo-ip located AMPR stations out there? Ideally, I'm thinking of something like the various CONVERSE maps out there .. for example: http://www.wwconvers.ampr.org/ . The Michagan AMPR people do have a live monitoring system but it's text based: http://server1.nuge.com/~drg/network.html and I'm specifically looking for a Northern California map. Maybe there is something like an MRTG system that actively probes these systems from say the AMPR hub in San Diego?
I'm also curious if anyone has ever heard of the following:
I'm going on a vacation this summer where I know there isn't any reachable packet systems (both APRS or known packet systems) due to the mountain terrain. I know because I was there last year and though I could hear very faint packet stations, nothing could be decoded. What *is* available here is the commercial cell network and what I was thinking was tethering my Linux machine to the cell IP network and running an AXIP/AXUDP tunnel to re-link into the fairly extensive 145.050 KB2KB packet network: http://varmintal.com/ahamp.htm . I don't think this would be too difficult but what I'm trying to figure out is if it's possible to have my Linux machine send beacons, netrom updates, etc. from my machine via a tunnel to a remote AMPR station (proxy arp if you will) and then have all those AX.25 packets broadcasted on RF from there. There are a few Northern Califnornia Linux-based stations I know of that are on AMPR with JNOS that might be willing to try something like this but I wanted to run it by the group to see if it's been done / impossible / etc.
--David
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:33:47PM -0700, David Ranch wrote:
... Maybe there is something like an MRTG system that actively probes these systems from say the AMPR hub in San Diego?
None that I'm aware of; the large number of registered addresses makes it rather impractical to poll all of them at any sort of reasonable frequency. - Brian
Hey Brian,
None that I'm aware of; the large number of registered addresses makes it rather impractical to poll all of them at any sort of reasonable frequency.
I would agree that if we had to scan the entire 44/8, that would be a mess but I think that if we took the encaps file as a start and then scanned those IPs, it wouldn't take long at all. Then it comes down to doing a cross-lookup to associate a given 44.net IP with their public IP or some location field to figure out where these active nodes are roughly.
--David
We just had someone try this. It messed up the 1200 baud links so bad that there were several complaints from several stations in several countries. Please remember the entire Packet networks is not completely TCP/IP as beyond the gateways there are still the old networks.
Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org
MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor
-----Original Message----- From: David Ranch [mailto:amprgw@trinnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network map of active AMPR stations -- Packet "proxy arp" in Linux and/or JNOS?
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Hey Brian,
None that I'm aware of; the large number of registered addresses makes it rather impractical to poll all of them at any sort of reasonable
frequency. I would agree that if we had to scan the entire 44/8, that would be a mess but I think that if we took the encaps file as a start and then scanned those IPs, it wouldn't take long at all. Then it comes down to doing a cross-lookup to associate a given 44.net IP with their public IP or some location field to figure out where these active nodes are roughly.
--David _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
David Ranch wrote:
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Hey Brian,
None that I'm aware of; the large number of registered addresses makes it rather impractical to poll all of them at any sort of reasonable frequency.
I would agree that if we had to scan the entire 44/8, that would be a mess but I think that if we took the encaps file as a start and then scanned those IPs, it wouldn't take long at all. Then it comes down to doing a cross-lookup to associate a given 44.net IP with their public IP or some location field to figure out where these active nodes are roughly.
--David
It is no problem to scan the actual gateway stations, and this is already done. But it should not be attempted to scan the subnets that those gateway stations advertise as being reachable (in the encap.txt). The subnets are sometimes quite large, and you do not know what kind of link is between the gateway station and the stations on that subnet. It can be a local subnet for the gateway station (in which case you will swamp it with ARP requests), or it can be a complicated network of interconnected nodes that will transport your IP traffic over all kinds of radio links of limited capacity.
Rob
Whats up with these otherwise empty postings???? Just curious... I see no usefull information...
I understand the Please trim inclusions.. I only kept it here to illustrate the perplexing nature. But looks like useless postings to me.. Waste of our time.. Am I missing something?????
Is the messages being stripped away??? Thanks
Jerry Kutche
-----Original Message----- From: 44net-bounces+jkutche=lehighcement.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu [mailto:44net-bounces+jkutche=lehighcement.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of David Ranch Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:34 PM To: 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Cc: wb6cyt@sysnet.sysnet.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] Network map of active AMPR stations -- Packet "proxy arp" in Linux and/or JNOS?
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On Thu, 24 May 2012 13:09:42 +0200, Kutche, Jerry (Mitchell) USA JKutche@lehighcement.com wrote:
Whats up with these otherwise empty postings???? Just curious... I see no usefull information...
I understand the Please trim inclusions.. I only kept it here to illustrate the perplexing nature. But looks like useless postings to me.. Waste of our time.. Am I missing something?????
Is the messages being stripped away??? Thanks
Jerry Kutche
I'm seeing the original messages so I suspect there is some stripping being done by your mail client or server.