4 May
2024
4 May
'24
8:48 p.m.
Hello everyone,
I've had a 44net account for a while now and I've played with both setting up
OpenWRT, several Linux VMs, and a Cisco 1900 (with limited knowledge and testing from work
when we got fancy ISR4443's) but never actually achieved anything. Previously I read
that to achieve BGP connectivity something had to be done with the ISP to allow the AS
route to be announced/routed so that may have been another roadblock. Also with the whole
IPIP based traffic, you can only have a limited number of devices unless you start working
nat-magic and throw everything behind the same ip.
Personally, I'm more familiar with VPN-based tunneling back to an endpoint and the
datacenter/carrier-based router would announce the /24 route based on the status of the
tunnel/ip and would not actually need to involve the non-rfp'd local carrier at all.
As long as traffic could be passed through a tcp port, the connection could be made.
Are there any opportunities with IPSEC/SSL/OpenVPN or even SDWAN endpoints joining the
network instead of needing a router and formal networking knowledge to do the same? I just
keep running into the same issues with 44net even though I can muster along and setup my
work sites with good old IPSEC tunnels and locking the service down.
Thanks,
KD8SEP
Trevor Halsey
Middletown, Ohio
4 May
4 May
9:21 p.m.
New subject: [ARDC:44Net] Connectivity into 44net
There will be wireguard pops to let people join the network... they are
still in beta.
I guess there are two camps, those looking to join the network as you say,
but I'd venture to guess this group is more so looking for a public IP etc.
Then the origional camp/ spirit (at least in my opinion) is to learn....
heck maybe even create their own custom network protocol. The sandbox
effect lets one test with others without much concern of incomming traffic
from the general internet.
The more recent custom protocol example is how Heikki, OH7LZB crafted the
rip announcer used at UCSD. And then Marius, YO2LOJ expanding on that to
create a routing daemon to receive the data a populate the Linux routing
table.
Brian Kantor (sk) and Phil Karn were both early internet pioneers and
you'll discover their name in various RFC's. (ie RFC 1226 for ax.25
encapsulation, etc)
So its a question more so of what one hopes to achieve when joining the
network.
On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 7:48 PM Trevor Halsey via groups.io <thals1992=
hotmail.com(a)groups.io> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I’ve had a 44net account for a while now and I’ve played with both setting
up OpenWRT, several Linux VMs, and a Cisco 1900 (with limited knowledge and
testing from work when we got fancy ISR4443’s) but never actually achieved
anything. Previously I read that to achieve BGP connectivity something had
to be done with the ISP to allow the AS route to be announced/routed so
that may have been another roadblock. Also with the whole IPIP based
traffic, you can only have a limited number of devices unless you start
working nat-magic and throw everything behind the same ip.
Personally, I’m more familiar with VPN-based tunneling back to an endpoint
and the datacenter/carrier-based router would announce the /24 route based
on the status of the tunnel/ip and would not actually need to involve the
non-rfp’d local carrier at all. As long as traffic could be passed through
a tcp port, the connection could be made.
Are there any opportunities with IPSEC/SSL/OpenVPN or even SDWAN endpoints
joining the network instead of needing a router and formal networking
knowledge to do the same? I just keep running into the same issues with
44net even though I can muster along and setup my work sites with good old
IPSEC tunnels and locking the service down.
Thanks,
KD8SEP
Trevor Halsey
Middletown, Ohio
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5 May
5 May
3 a.m.
New subject: [ARDC:44Net] Connectivity into 44net
On 5/5/24 11:21 am, Steve L via 44net wrote:
There will be wireguard pops to let people join the
network... they
are still in beta.
I guess there are two camps, those looking to join the network as you
say, but I'd venture to guess this group is more so looking for a
public IP etc.
I have a foot in both camps, and have two allocations to reflect that.
One allocation is BGP routed and provides several services to hams
around the world. The other is on the IPIP mesh. I've moved the IPIP
tunnel offsite to a VPS, where there's fewer issues with getting IPIP to
work, then I use other means to get the block to my site(s). Currently,
I'm using ZeroTier with a lot of success. Eventually, I hope to self
host the ZT network, to give me more flexibility with allowing
connections. ZeroTier has the advantage of acting like a virtual LAN,
so that the VPS uses only one IP for itself, without needing to subnet
or use NAT to distribute the IPs. A VPN using a TAP interface would
work, but may be limited to Linux only hosts, requiring more bridges
than my setup (where bridges are optional).
Then the origional camp/ spirit (at least in my opinion) is to
learn.... heck maybe even create their own custom network protocol.
The sandbox effect lets one test with others without much concern of
incomming traffic from the general internet.
Yep. Experimentation with both
networking, as well as hosting services
on a dedicated virtual network for hams. Eventually, I want to add RF
endpoints (both high and low speed) to my IPIP subnet.
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73 de Tony VK3JED/VK3IRL
http://vkradio.com
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