25 Jul
2013
25 Jul
'13
2:01 p.m.
On 7/25/13 1:40 PM, Marc, LX1DUC wrote:
However I'm not sure I'm able to provide an
IS-IS capable router for
the trial...
A Juniper O-series might work ;)
I think the 2811s from cisco are cheap enough now (under 400 on ebay). The
issue with cisco is you need some one to get the code for you now that they've
locked down the CCO site.
I'd love to use ALU gear, but it's just to expensive on the used market.
But this is all just discussion on how we wan to do it at this point.
We'll need some detailed proposals and come to a conciseness on it.
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25 Jul
25 Jul
2:32 p.m.
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Yeah, I will need a detailed concrete plan to go to our routing guru and
manager for approval. I doubt they will allow it to run on production
routers, but we have some older gear in our lab I might be able to
re-purpose.
On thing I'm not clear on. As a potential admin of a AMPR POP would I have
to manually configure GRE tunnels for every local gateway that wants to
connect ? That could be headache.
-Neil
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2:51 p.m.
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A Juniper O-series might work ;)
I think the 2811s from cisco are cheap enough now (under 400 on
ebay). The issue with cisco is you need some one to get the code
for you now that they've locked down the CCO site.
I'd love to use ALU gear, but it's just to expensive on the used
market.
But this is all just discussion on how we wan to do it at this
point.
We'll need some detailed proposals and come to a conciseness on
it.
Well I think in HAM-Radio we should be vendor agnostic and things
should be compatible with OSS, DIY and homebrew system.
73 de Marc, LX1DUC
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5:25 p.m.
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On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Marc, LX1DUC <lx1duc(a)rlx.lu> wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
Well I think in HAM-Radio we should be vendor agnostic and things
should be compatible with OSS, DIY and homebrew system.
Protocol and Vendor agnostic yes , but people running production networks
get nervous around "unsupported" (i.e. they can't call a number and get
help right away). devices tied into their nets. Not saying it can't be
done, but a lot of effort must be put in place to protect the Net from
trouble.
What I'm saying is that the POPs would need to be run by truly competent
personnel and configured to protect the Net from accidental or malicious
configurations at the local gateway level.
When you start messing with routing on the Internet you HAVE to know what
you are doing and trust your device not to do something stupid.
-Neil
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6:05 p.m.
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Protocol and Vendor agnostic yes , but people running
production
networks get nervous around "unsupported" (i.e. they can't call a
number and get help right away). devices tied into their nets. Not
saying it can't be done, but a lot of effort must be put in place
to protect the Net from trouble.
What I'm saying is that the POPs would need to be run by truly
competent personnel and configured to protect the Net from
accidental or malicious configurations at the local gateway level.
When you start messing with routing on the Internet you HAVE to
know what you are doing and trust your device not to do something
stupid.
Agreed, so we need skilled operators for the regional internet
gateways (RIGs) and they should be working close with or even within
the organization hosting the RIGs. The hoster is also free to take any
actions necessary to protect it's network by filtering and limiting
the announcements from the RIG or even shutdown the BGP session
completely.
All this however doesn't change the fact that the setup does not
require hardware from big C or big J or whomever, a carefully selected
Linux Box running some kind of routing daemons (e.g. Quagga, Bird,
ExaBGP) can suffice to cope with all the tasks. Alot of projects have
proven that a stable service using Linux based BGP speakers (AS112,
a.ntpns.org (aka AS6647), etc) is possible.
73 de Marc, LX1DUC
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26 Jul
26 Jul
12:57 p.m.
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Interesting, I had asked the question earlier how much administrative work
would be required by the AMPR POP's admin(s) to configure the GRE/IP-IP
tunnels from the local gateways. I didn't get a response.
I agree that using a Linux/BSD box could allow users to provision their own
tunnels via a carefully written script.
-Neil
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Marc, LX1DUC <lx1duc(a)rlx.lu> wrote:
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Neil Johnson -N0SFH
http://erudicon.com
Protocol and Vendor agnostic yes , but people
running production
networks get nervous around "unsupported" (i.e. they can't call a
number and get help right away). devices tied into their nets. Not
saying it can't be done, but a lot of effort must be put in place
to protect the Net from trouble.
What I'm saying is that the POPs would need to be run by truly
competent personnel and configured to protect the Net from
accidental or malicious configurations at the local gateway level.
When you start messing with routing on the Internet you HAVE to
know what you are doing and trust your device not to do something
stupid.
Agreed, so we need skilled operators for the regional internet
gateways (RIGs) and they should be working close with or even within
the organization hosting the RIGs. The hoster is also free to take any
actions necessary to protect it's network by filtering and limiting
the announcements from the RIG or even shutdown the BGP session
completely.
All this however doesn't change the fact that the setup does not
require hardware from big C or big J or whomever, a carefully selected
Linux Box running some kind of routing daemons (e.g. Quagga, Bird,
ExaBGP) can suffice to cope with all the tasks. Alot of projects have
proven that a stable service using Linux based BGP speakers (AS112,
a.ntpns.org (aka AS6647), etc) is possible.
73 de Marc, LX1DUC
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4:36 p.m.
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On 26/07/2013 18:57, Neil Johnson wrote:
Interesting, I had asked the question earlier how
much
administrative work would be required by the AMPR POP's admin(s) to
configure the GRE/IP-IP tunnels from the local gateways. I didn't
get a response.
I agree that using a Linux/BSD box could allow users to provision
their own tunnels via a carefully written script.
I think one goal of this discussion should be to make the basic setup
of Local Gateway a task of a few minutes.
The setup and operation of a Regional Internet Gateway is a different
chapter however :-)
73 de Marc, LX1DUC
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