24 Oct
2017
24 Oct
'17
6:14 p.m.
Greetings all,
I'm working on helping renovating a repeater system for the Southern
Catskill Amateur Radio Society (KC2AXO -
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=421389),
and was interested in figuring out the rules for getting an AMPRnet
assignment for the club. I'd like to get a /24 though we could probably
work with smaller as long as it's a large enough allocation to subnet it.
Right now, we have a simple 2m repeater, but we're building two 33cm
links up to the repeater shack to get connectivity up there. Right now,
we're interested in setting up EchoLink/IRLP/AllStar for the repeater,
and pending a second antenna/additional equipment, possibly a
digipeater, APRS gateway, and packet BBS. Right now, we've got three
sites (the primary repeater, a fill-in site, and the base station in town).
The rough plan right now is as follows:
- svxlink up at the shack for repeater control
- 33cm downlinks to the fill-in repeater/club station
- svxlink instance in the club which terminates traffic going
to the internet (this acts as a Link Station, and keeps us within
Part 97 compliance w.r.t Internet traffic and RF links)
- aprsd running on the repeater, direct connection to APRS-IS
(since this is all ham-to-ham traffic with callsigns, this should
be legal per Part 97).
- As resources allow, RF link to AMPRnet in general
We'll have to get gateways to the other AMPR networks like HamWAN and
such for 44net traffic to be reachable elsewhere.
What I'd like to do is use an AMPRnet allocation from our base station,
and then pipe service up to the repeater via a second fill-in site we have.
AMPRnet seems like a logical way to do this, and as we expand the club,
also allow folks to play with packet radio. I looked through the
archives and the wiki and saw nothing about club allocations for AMPRnet
so I figured I'd try here before filling out the application form as
well as getting suggestions from the 44net community. I'm not the
trustee (N2TDX) for the club sign, but I'm acting w/ his permission and
can have him do the registration process if need be. Just trying to
figure out the process and get our feet wet with AMPRnet.
72 de KD2JRT
24 Oct
24 Oct
8:33 p.m.
Good morning, Michael. As the coordinator for NY State, I applaud your
efforts and vision for the use of 44Net. Your first step is to register
on http://portal.ampr.org and create a request for subnet under 44.68/16
(NY State) at https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=request&id=276=276.
Choose Radio and IPIP Tunnel. Briefly fill in the notes box with your
details like the counties involved, uses, etc. I will follow up with an
email directly to you to work out the details.
On 10/24/2017 7:14 AM, Michael Casadevall wrote:
Greetings all,
I'm working on helping renovating a repeater system for the Southern
Catskill Amateur Radio Society (KC2AXO -
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=421389),
and was interested in figuring out the rules for getting an AMPRnet
assignment for the club. I'd like to get a /24 though we could probably
work with smaller as long as it's a large enough allocation to subnet it.
Right now, we have a simple 2m repeater, but we're building two 33cm
links up to the repeater shack to get connectivity up there. Right now,
we're interested in setting up EchoLink/IRLP/AllStar for the repeater,
and pending a second antenna/additional equipment, possibly a
digipeater, APRS gateway, and packet BBS. Right now, we've got three
sites (the primary repeater, a fill-in site, and the base station in town).
The rough plan right now is as follows:
- svxlink up at the shack for repeater control
- 33cm downlinks to the fill-in repeater/club station
- svxlink instance in the club which terminates traffic going
to the internet (this acts as a Link Station, and keeps us within
Part 97 compliance w.r.t Internet traffic and RF links)
- aprsd running on the repeater, direct connection to APRS-IS
(since this is all ham-to-ham traffic with callsigns, this should
be legal per Part 97).
- As resources allow, RF link to AMPRnet in general
We'll have to get gateways to the other AMPR networks like HamWAN and
such for 44net traffic to be reachable elsewhere.
What I'd like to do is use an AMPRnet allocation from our base station,
and then pipe service up to the repeater via a second fill-in site we have.
AMPRnet seems like a logical way to do this, and as we expand the club,
also allow folks to play with packet radio. I looked through the
archives and the wiki and saw nothing about club allocations for AMPRnet
so I figured I'd try here before filling out the application form as
well as getting suggestions from the 44net community. I'm not the
trustee (N2TDX) for the club sign, but I'm acting w/ his permission and
can have him do the registration process if need be. Just trying to
figure out the process and get our feet wet with AMPRnet.
72 de KD2JRT
--
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 449.025/123.0 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM
on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls
topped
by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
(The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it
provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
8:44 p.m.
Thanks for the quick response.
Should I register under my call or the club's callsign? (I'll register
for myself regardless as I want a personal 44net allocation while I'm
here). I'll do it later today.
Michael
On 10/24/2017 09:33 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
Good morning, Michael. As the coordinator for NY
State, I applaud your
efforts and vision for the use of 44Net. Your first step is to register
on http://portal.ampr.org and create a request for subnet under 44.68/16
(NY State) at https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=request&id=276=276.
Choose Radio and IPIP Tunnel. Briefly fill in the notes box with your
details like the counties involved, uses, etc. I will follow up with an
email directly to you to work out the details.
On 10/24/2017 7:14 AM, Michael Casadevall wrote:
Greetings all,
I'm working on helping renovating a repeater system for the Southern
Catskill Amateur Radio Society (KC2AXO -
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=421389),
and was interested in figuring out the rules for getting an AMPRnet
assignment for the club. I'd like to get a /24 though we could probably
work with smaller as long as it's a large enough allocation to subnet it.
Right now, we have a simple 2m repeater, but we're building two 33cm
links up to the repeater shack to get connectivity up there. Right now,
we're interested in setting up EchoLink/IRLP/AllStar for the repeater,
and pending a second antenna/additional equipment, possibly a
digipeater, APRS gateway, and packet BBS. Right now, we've got three
sites (the primary repeater, a fill-in site, and the base station in
town).
The rough plan right now is as follows:
- svxlink up at the shack for repeater control
- 33cm downlinks to the fill-in repeater/club station
- svxlink instance in the club which terminates traffic going
to the internet (this acts as a Link Station, and keeps us within
Part 97 compliance w.r.t Internet traffic and RF links)
- aprsd running on the repeater, direct connection to APRS-IS
(since this is all ham-to-ham traffic with callsigns, this should
be legal per Part 97).
- As resources allow, RF link to AMPRnet in general
We'll have to get gateways to the other AMPR networks like HamWAN and
such for 44net traffic to be reachable elsewhere.
What I'd like to do is use an AMPRnet allocation from our base station,
and then pipe service up to the repeater via a second fill-in site we
have.
AMPRnet seems like a logical way to do this, and as we expand the club,
also allow folks to play with packet radio. I looked through the
archives and the wiki and saw nothing about club allocations for AMPRnet
so I figured I'd try here before filling out the application form as
well as getting suggestions from the 44net community. I'm not the
trustee (N2TDX) for the club sign, but I'm acting w/ his permission and
can have him do the registration process if need be. Just trying to
figure out the process and get our feet wet with AMPRnet.
72 de KD2JRT
8:55 p.m.
Probably you should register under your callsign. You can request
multiple allocations under a single registration.
As for the size of your allocation, since you intend to use tunnels,
you should request one the right size for each tunnel gateway endpoint.
That is, if your repeaters are at different sites, you'll probably
need different tunnels for each site, and therefore different allocations,
one per site. (It's a restriction of the portal/tunnel system that
you can't further subnet an allocation for different gateways).
- Brian
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 09:44:30AM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote:
Thanks for the quick response.
Should I register under my call or the club's callsign? (I'll register
for myself regardless as I want a personal 44net allocation while I'm
here). I'll do it later today.
Michael
On 10/24/2017 09:33 AM, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
Good morning, Michael. As the coordinator for NY
State, I applaud your
efforts and vision for the use of 44Net. Your first step is to register
on http://portal.ampr.org and create a request for subnet under 44.68/16
(NY State) at https://portal.ampr.org/networks.php?a=request&id=276=276.
Choose Radio and IPIP Tunnel. Briefly fill in the notes box with your
details like the counties involved, uses, etc. I will follow up with an
email directly to you to work out the details.
On 10/24/2017 7:14 AM, Michael Casadevall wrote:
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https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net Greetings all,
I'm working on helping renovating a repeater system for the Southern
Catskill Amateur Radio Society (KC2AXO -
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/license.jsp?licKey=421389),
and was interested in figuring out the rules for getting an AMPRnet
assignment for the club. I'd like to get a /24 though we could probably
work with smaller as long as it's a large enough allocation to subnet it.
Right now, we have a simple 2m repeater, but we're building two 33cm
links up to the repeater shack to get connectivity up there. Right now,
we're interested in setting up EchoLink/IRLP/AllStar for the repeater,
and pending a second antenna/additional equipment, possibly a
digipeater, APRS gateway, and packet BBS. Right now, we've got three
sites (the primary repeater, a fill-in site, and the base station in
town).
The rough plan right now is as follows:
- svxlink up at the shack for repeater control
- 33cm downlinks to the fill-in repeater/club station
- svxlink instance in the club which terminates traffic going
to the internet (this acts as a Link Station, and keeps us within
Part 97 compliance w.r.t Internet traffic and RF links)
- aprsd running on the repeater, direct connection to APRS-IS
(since this is all ham-to-ham traffic with callsigns, this should
be legal per Part 97).
- As resources allow, RF link to AMPRnet in general
We'll have to get gateways to the other AMPR networks like HamWAN and
such for 44net traffic to be reachable elsewhere.
What I'd like to do is use an AMPRnet allocation from our base station,
and then pipe service up to the repeater via a second fill-in site we
have.
AMPRnet seems like a logical way to do this, and as we expand the club,
also allow folks to play with packet radio. I looked through the
archives and the wiki and saw nothing about club allocations for AMPRnet
so I figured I'd try here before filling out the application form as
well as getting suggestions from the 44net community. I'm not the
trustee (N2TDX) for the club sign, but I'm acting w/ his permission and
can have him do the registration process if need be. Just trying to
figure out the process and get our feet wet with AMPRnet.
72 de KD2JRT
9:04 p.m.
Unless you want your personal subnet as part of the club's, I would
suggest two separate entries (your callsign and the club's callsign).
When I see the entries in the portal, I will send you an email with
some information for the NY State 44Net plan.
On 10/24/2017 9:44 AM, Michael Casadevall wrote:
Thanks for the quick response.
Should I register under my call or the club's callsign? (I'll register
for myself regardless as I want a personal 44net allocation while I'm
here). I'll do it later today.
Michael
--
Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV
NYC-ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord.
NYC-ARECS/RACES Nets 449.025/123.0 PL
ARnewsline Broadcast Mon. @ 8:00PM
NYC-ARECS Weekly Net Mon. @ 8:30PM
http://www.nyc-arecs.org
NY-NBEMS Net Saturdays @ 10AM & USeast-NBEMS Net Wednesdays @ 7PM
on 7.036 Mhz USB (alt 3.536)/1500 hz waterfall spot; MFSK-16 or 32
"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls
topped
by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan
"The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." - Tacitus
"Molann an obair an fear" - Irish Saying
(The work praises the man.)
"No matter how big and powerful government gets, and the many services it
provides, it can never take the place of volunteers." - Ronald Reagan
9:13 p.m.
If Charles prefers that you register the club separately from your
self, please do it his way. Ignore what I said about using the same
callsign. Sorry for the confusion.
- Brian
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:04:56AM -0400, Charles J. Hargrove wrote:
Unless you want your personal subnet as part of the
club's, I would
suggest two separate entries (your callsign and the club's callsign).
When I see the entries in the portal, I will send you an email with
some information for the NY State 44Net plan.
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