Hi There
Is there any Network monitor tool (like WhatsUp Gold) or HP Openview ) that someone run and monitor all the Gateways ? and available for the public to see the network status ?
Long ago telneting to UCSD router to some port return status of ping to all the Gateway
Any Way Im running WhatsUpGold for my purposes and u can add (if needed ) Gateways to monitor
It can Even send Email of events like Down Up and much more
it can be seen here http://4z4zq.no-ip.org:81/whatsup1.wup.cgi
It require login name and password Just leave them blank
This is what left from our Network that was working long ago hope soon it will return to operation
About the Project Can be read here http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
73;shttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
Ronen - 4Z4ZQhttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.htmlhttp://www.ronen.org
Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSitehttp://www.ronen.org/ www.ronen.org ronen.org (Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSite) is hosted by domainavenue.com
http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
The Wireless Lan Project page - QSL.nethttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html www.qsl.net For the Commercial companies. You have a wireless lan cards/equipment that you want to test ? we are ready to make cooperation on a NON PROFIT base
Hi Ronen,
I ran such a tool some days ago but I need to rebuild it. As soon as it is ready I will give the URL to connect On AMPRNET, readonly.
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish to monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
73 QRO F1SCA
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de R P Envoyé : lundi 29 février 2016 19:53 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Hi There
Is there any Network monitor tool (like WhatsUp Gold) or HP Openview ) that someone run and monitor all the Gateways ? and available for the public to see the network status ?
Long ago telneting to UCSD router to some port return status of ping to all the Gateway
Any Way Im running WhatsUpGold for my purposes and u can add (if needed ) Gateways to monitor
It can Even send Email of events like Down Up and much more
it can be seen here http://4z4zq.no-ip.org:81/whatsup1.wup.cgi
It require login name and password Just leave them blank
This is what left from our Network that was working long ago hope soon it will return to operation
About the Project Can be read here http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
73;shttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
Ronen - 4Z4ZQhttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.htmlhttp://www.ronen.org
Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSitehttp://www.ronen.org/ www.ronen.org ronen.org (Ronen Pinchooks (4Z4ZQ) WebSite) is hosted by domainavenue.com
http://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html
The Wireless Lan Project page - QSL.nethttp://www.qsl.net/4z4zq/wlan.html www.qsl.net For the Commercial companies. You have a wireless lan cards/equipment that you want to test ? we are ready to make cooperation on a NON PROFIT base
Please remember that all the tunnel gateways are sharing a single router and network connection at UCSD. I think it would be unwise to set up multiple network monitors -- one or two should be enough.
Please be respectful of your network neighbors. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:46:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish to monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
If I well understood, but I may be wrong (please confirm Brian), traffic between nodes is done with IPIP, means that Traffic is done via direct tunnels between nodes, not via UCSD.
Also, a test is made locally in FR, and works rather well. As usual, services provided between us is done fairly. Sysops Who want to deliver the best quality of traffic through their infrastructure are welcome if they want use the tool I use.
Regards F1SCA
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de Brian Kantor Envoyé : lundi 29 février 2016 21:14 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Please remember that all the tunnel gateways are sharing a single router and network connection at UCSD. I think it would be unwise to set up multiple network monitors -- one or two should be enough.
Please be respectful of your network neighbors. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:46:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish to monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
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Yes, if you are testing only network-44 addresses from network-44 hosts the traffic will follow point-to-point tunnels and not involve UCSD. Similarly, if testing the gateway commercial address, that should be done from a host that is on the commercial internet so that the traffic doesn't pass through UCSD. My concern is to keep the network from getting congested with automated traffic. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 09:39:16PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
If I well understood, but I may be wrong (please confirm Brian), traffic between nodes is done with IPIP, means that Traffic is done via direct tunnels between nodes, not via UCSD.
You're right. I can confirm you that monitor is done from a host on 44 net towards 44 nodes so via point to point tunnels
Jean-Marc
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de Brian Kantor Envoyé : lundi 29 février 2016 22:08 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Yes, if you are testing only network-44 addresses from network-44 hosts the traffic will follow point-to-point tunnels and not involve UCSD. Similarly, if testing the gateway commercial address, that should be done from a host that is on the commercial internet so that the traffic doesn't pass through UCSD. My concern is to keep the network from getting congested with automated traffic. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 09:39:16PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
If I well understood, but I may be wrong (please confirm Brian), traffic between nodes is done with IPIP, means that Traffic is done via direct tunnels between nodes, not via UCSD.
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If we talk about traffic Do you have any tool to grab statistic how much Bandwidth (or Bytes etc) every gateway takes ? if yes may you share with us a statistic of the gateways ?
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 12:13 PM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Please remember that all the tunnel gateways are sharing a single router and network connection at UCSD. I think it would be unwise to set up multiple network monitors -- one or two should be enough.
Please be respectful of your network neighbors. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:46:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish to monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
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Is making 3Pings to about 400 Gateways worldwide from non AMPR IP to their AMPR ip every 5 minutes consider acceptable thing to do ?
_______________________________________________ Please remember that all the tunnel gateways are sharing a single router and network connection at UCSD. I think it would be unwise to set up multiple network monitors -- one or two should be enough.
Please be respectful of your network neighbors. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:46:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish to monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
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Two points to consider.
A gateway doesn't have an AMPR IP address. It supports a range of addresses, and only those in the DNS will be reachable from non-AMPR addresses, Which will you ping?
Some gateway software will not accept any packets from non-AMPR addresses to its AMPR address range.
On your original question, I currently have 530 gateways in my list. I'd consider every 5 minutes a bit excessive, even if spread over the 5 minute interval. Others may disagree!
73, John G8BPQ
-----Original Message----- From: 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+john.wiseman=cantab.net@hamradio.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of R P Sent: 01 March 2016 07:39 To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Is making 3Pings to about 400 Gateways worldwide from non AMPR IP to their AMPR ip every 5 minutes consider acceptable thing to do ?
_______________________________________________ Please remember that all the tunnel gateways are sharing a single router and network connection at UCSD. I think it would be unwise to set up multiple network monitors -- one or two should be enough.
Please be respectful of your network neighbors. - Brian
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 08:46:10PM +0100, Jean-Marc Magnier wrote:
In the mean time you can tell me what are the nodes (only nodes) you wish
to
monitor. Running SNMP on these Nodes will increase monitoring.
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Dear John First of all im very pleased to talk with the BPQ Node developer we had lot of your nodes long ago when the Packet was operating
About the gateways , Im aware of that problem that not all gateways accept pings from Non -AMPR adress If thats the problem they will be pinged to their non ampr address As for which IP to ping as much as I see every gateway have 44 IP leg (is supposed to serve as the default route setting for the TCP hosts who operate on the local 44 net) This address is the one i would like to ping ...
As for Ping Traffic , ok if 5 minutes consider too short i may do it on hourly base (say every one hour) The idea is to get tool that will alert the gateway users (i dont sit on my router 24x7 ) that "something " happen and that they will be aware of it (by Email or SMS) and also to show a worldwide map of network status (as all commercial services do) (the fact that we are "amateurs" doesn't necessarily mean we are not professionals (or that we should behave as non professionals) 73's Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of John Wiseman john.wiseman@cantab.net Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:19 AM To: 'AMPRNet working group' Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Two points to consider.
A gateway doesn't have an AMPR IP address. It supports a range of addresses, and only those in the DNS will be reachable from non-AMPR addresses, Which will you ping?
Some gateway software will not accept any packets from non-AMPR addresses to its AMPR address range.
On your original question, I currently have 530 gateways in my list. I'd consider every 5 minutes a bit excessive, even if spread over the 5 minute interval. Others may disagree!
73, John G8BPQ
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Not acceptable! My system does not allow non 44net address Source addresses to my systems, They are treated as probing Attacks and are not wanted. There is enough probing or port services, scanning from non 44net addresses going on. Of course all blocked here 73 de Paul g4apl
Is making 3Pings to about 400 Gateways worldwide from non AMPR IP to their AMPR ip every 5 minutes consider acceptable thing to do ?
Ronen,
Why do you need to probe the networks? Just to get some traffic flowing to satisfy your curiosity? If you find out that some gateways are up, and some not, how is this information helpful to you since they are not under your control, you can not do anything about it, and you will probably not access them anyway since they don't offer any services you need.
A lot of users consider any probing not acceptable and consider even some 2-3 pings per hour excessive, and any unnecessary traffic is not welcomed.
By the way, there is no 44 gateway address defined for subnets, so you will probably will not get responses because you can not guess them and not everyone uses the first or last IP of the subnet as the gateway IP. To ping the public gateway address will not do either, since a lot of them do not respond to icmp requests.
And as described, let's assume everyone starts doing this. Having 500 subnets probing your network every 5 minutes will give some 1Mb traffic per request set (3 pings, 60 bytes each, 10bits/byte because of overhead). On a 1200bps radio link this will saturate the link...
So probe the ones interesting to you, in agreement with the other sysop. If they accept, it is ok, If not, don't.
Marius, YO2LOJ
-----Original Message----- From: R P Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 09:38 To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Is making 3Pings to about 400 Gateways worldwide from non AMPR IP to their AMPR ip every 5 minutes consider acceptable thing to do ?
Dear Marius Maybe you (and others) didnt get what i ment behind the idea It was to have a 1 (not alot) central tool that if a gateway fall a Email -- Or SMS (thats what some network tool can do ) will be sent to the gateway owner and alert him that his gateway is not working But if the hams community dont want sophisticated tools to help her manage its network and get near real time info about its situation it also OK no offence I will continue to probe my networks as I have describe before and showed in the link to the network monitor web Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Marius Petrescu marius@yo2loj.ro Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:26 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
So probe the ones interesting to you, in agreement with the other sysop. If they accept, it is ok, If not, don't.
Marius, YO2LOJ
Ronen, It is up to each gateway owner whether they want that monitoring and it should be an OPT-IN only. Please do not probe other people's gateways and networks without their specific request. I think it is unfriendly to do so, and there is quite enough of that already. - Brian
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 12:07:54PM +0000, R P wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Dear Marius Maybe you (and others) didnt get what i ment behind the idea It was to have a 1 (not alot) central tool that if a gateway fall a Email -- Or SMS (thats what some network tool can do ) will be sent to the gateway owner and alert him that his gateway is not working But if the hams community dont want sophisticated tools to help her manage its network and get near real time info about its situation it also OK no offence I will continue to probe my networks as I have describe before and showed in the link to the network monitor web Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Marius Petrescu marius@yo2loj.ro Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:26 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
So probe the ones interesting to you, in agreement with the other sysop. If they accept, it is ok, If not, don't.
Marius, YO2LOJ
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
Just to Clear things out I havnt probe networks other then myn in the past I am not doing so now (as you can see on my network map who are the hosts that are checked) and i wasnt intend to do it in the future My intentions was good (thinking in providing network monitoring tool ) im sorry if thats made someone angry i really apology Ronen - 4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Brian Kantor Brian@UCSD.Edu Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 4:14 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Ronen, It is up to each gateway owner whether they want that monitoring and it should be an OPT-IN only. Please do not probe other people's gateways and networks without their specific request. I think it is unfriendly to do so, and there is quite enough of that already. - Brian
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 12:07:54PM +0000, R P wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Dear Marius Maybe you (and others) didnt get what i ment behind the idea It was to have a 1 (not alot) central tool that if a gateway fall a Email -- Or SMS (thats what some network tool can do ) will be sent to the gateway owner and alert him that his gateway is not working But if the hams community dont want sophisticated tools to help her manage its network and get near real time info about its situation it also OK no offence I will continue to probe my networks as I have describe before and showed in the link to the network monitor web Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Marius Petrescu marius@yo2loj.ro Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:26 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
So probe the ones interesting to you, in agreement with the other sysop. If they accept, it is ok, If not, don't.
Marius, YO2LOJ
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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I don't think anyone is angry, it's just not a welcome idea. - Brian
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 12:38:01PM +0000, R P wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Just to Clear things out I havnt probe networks other then myn in the past I am not doing so now (as you can see on my network map who are the hosts that are checked) and i wasnt intend to do it in the future My intentions was good (thinking in providing network monitoring tool ) im sorry if thats made someone angry i really apology
+1
Ronen, please feel free to contact me, we can do something interesting together
73 de F1SCA
-----Message d'origine----- De : 44Net [mailto:44net-bounces+magnier.jeanmarc=numericable.fr@hamradio.ucsd.edu] De la part de R P Envoyé : mardi 1 mars 2016 13:08 À : AMPRNet working group 44net@hamradio.ucsd.edu Objet : Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ Dear Marius Maybe you (and others) didnt get what i ment behind the idea It was to have a 1 (not alot) central tool that if a gateway fall a Email -- Or SMS (thats what some network tool can do ) will be sent to the gateway owner and alert him that his gateway is not working But if the hams community dont want sophisticated tools to help her manage its network and get near real time info about its situation it also OK no offence I will continue to probe my networks as I have describe before and showed in the link to the network monitor web Best Regards Ronen - 4Z4ZQ
________________________________________ From: 44Net 44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com@hamradio.ucsd.edu on behalf of Marius Petrescu marius@yo2loj.ro Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 1:26 AM To: AMPRNet working group Subject: Re: [44net] Network Monitor Of Gateways ?
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
So probe the ones interesting to you, in agreement with the other sysop. If they accept, it is ok, If not, don't.
Marius, YO2LOJ
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