14 Jun
2024
14 Jun
'24
9:33 p.m.
Chris and the group,
I don't yet see a thread for this one, please forgive me if I missed it.
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2. In relation to point 1. How do we vet the person requesting access to
use an organisation’s call sign? This is really only an issue for US based
clubs as the call sign has a trustee listed on the ULS database, but it
would seem, that person is not always able/willing/interested in creating
an account on the portal to have the call sign verified. This certainly
needs more thought.
The ideal situation would be for the trustee to create an account on the
portal, verify the call sign, then hand it off to another member in the
organisation, i.e. once setup they do not have to be the POC for the call
sign - is this really asking too much of someone who has already agreed to
be the trustee, which arguably comes with such responsibilities?
--</snip>--
I agree with everything you say insofar as this would be the solution in
the ideal world. However, unfortunately, in cases like mine, this is not
always the case. I'll spare you the details, but the gist is that the
trustee has agreed to "hang on" to the callsign until we can get some
issues sorted (which is turning out to take over a year due to bureaucratic
processes). Our trustee is generally very busy, and to actively pursue the
process of getting portal-verified would be a big ask, and would likely
require a lot of nagging from me for it to ever get done. Likewise, many of
the administrative tasks of the club have been delegated to me, as I am
familiar with the processes and have the time to navigate them.
In the US, only the trustee has access to download the Official copy of the
club license through the ULS. Therefore, if someone presents an Official
copy of the license as verification material, one could be reasonably
confident that the trustee has entrusted them to act on the club's behalf.
While I don't believe that simply having the Official copy should grant
someone the "keys to the kingdom", a simple verification email to the club
and/or the trustee would be sufficient to ensure the delegate is acting in
good faith. It's important to note that getting verified in the portal and
a quick "Yep, permission granted!" reply to a verification email differ
significantly in magnitude.
Is anyone else in a similar situation, or had similar experiences that
could weigh in?
Eric AE0JE
15 Jun
15 Jun
3:11 a.m.
New subject: Club Callsign Verification
Hi Eric,
I think your suggestion is a good compromise, thank you.
So if anyone else is having similar issues, then the “ideal” solution is of course
preferred, but if that is not possible, then the second best option would be for the
trustee to send an email to postmaster(a)ardc.net <mailto:postmaster@ardc.net>
containing the following:
- The full name of the club;
- The club’s official website (if it has one);
- A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call sign;
- The name, call sign and email address of the person they wish to delegate to.
As a third option, if the trustee really doesn't want to do any work ;-) then an email
from the person wishing to act on behalf of the club, sent to postmaster(a)ardc.net
<mailto:postmaster@ardc.net> and containing the following:
- The full name of the club;
- The club’s official website (if it has one);
- A copy of the official PDF download from the ULS site of the club’s call sign;
- The name, call sign and email address of the trustee.
I think this would work.
Chris - G1FEF
—
ARDC Administrator
Web: https://www.ardc.net
On 15 Jun 2024, at 02:33, Eric Johnson
<micromashor(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Chris and the group,
I don't yet see a thread for this one, please forgive me if I missed it.
--<snip>--
2. In relation to point 1. How do we vet the person requesting access to use an
organisation’s call sign? This is really only an issue for US based clubs as the call sign
has a trustee listed on the ULS database, but it would seem, that person is not always
able/willing/interested in creating an account on the portal to have the call sign
verified. This certainly needs more thought.
The ideal situation would be for the trustee to create an account on the portal, verify
the call sign, then hand it off to another member in the organisation, i.e. once setup
they do not have to be the POC for the call sign - is this really asking too much of
someone who has already agreed to be the trustee, which arguably comes with such
responsibilities?
--</snip>--
I agree with everything you say insofar as this would be the solution in the ideal world.
However, unfortunately, in cases like mine, this is not always the case. I'll spare
you the details, but the gist is that the trustee has agreed to "hang on" to the
callsign until we can get some issues sorted (which is turning out to take over a year due
to bureaucratic processes). Our trustee is generally very busy, and to actively pursue the
process of getting portal-verified would be a big ask, and would likely require a lot of
nagging from me for it to ever get done. Likewise, many of the administrative tasks of the
club have been delegated to me, as I am familiar with the processes and have the time to
navigate them.
In the US, only the trustee has access to download the Official copy of the club license
through the ULS. Therefore, if someone presents an Official copy of the license as
verification material, one could be reasonably confident that the trustee has entrusted
them to act on the club's behalf. While I don't believe that simply having the
Official copy should grant someone the "keys to the kingdom", a simple
verification email to the club and/or the trustee would be sufficient to ensure the
delegate is acting in good faith. It's important to note that getting verified in the
portal and a quick "Yep, permission granted!" reply to a verification email
differ significantly in magnitude.
Is anyone else in a similar situation, or had similar experiences that could weigh in?
Eric AE0JE
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