19 Sep
2014
19 Sep
'14
3:20 p.m.
I just got the following. One month is way, WAY too short. If my records
needed updating every month, it would be a mess and I'd rather just shut
down.
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is just
too much.
Michael
N6MEF
Hello Michael,
THIS IS A SYSTEM GENERATED EMAIL FROM THE AMPRNET PORTAL.
Your account on the AMPRNet portal has been dormant for over one month.
It is important that you login regularly to ensure that your personal
details
are up to date, as well as ensuring that any AMPRNet resources allocated
to you are correct, e.g. IP allocations, DNS entries, etc.
Please login to the AMPRNet portal soon:
https://portal.ampr.org
If you have any questions relating to this email, you may reply to it and a
human being will read it and respond.
Kind Regards,
Marvin,
The AMPRNet Robot
19 Sep
19 Sep
3:28 p.m.
+1
jerome va7vv
On 14-09-19 12:20 PM, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
I just got the following. One month is way, WAY too
short. If my records
needed updating every month, it would be a mess and I'd rather just shut
down.
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is just
too much.
Michael
N6MEF
4:31 p.m.
+ another one
And I still cannot manage my subnet. As a regional co-ordinator for NJ
you'd think I could do that.
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jerome Schatten <romers(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
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+1
jerome va7vv
On 14-09-19 12:20 PM, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
I just got the following. One month is way, WAY too short. If my records
needed updating every month, it would be a mess and I'd rather just shut
down.
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is
just
too much.
Michael
N6MEF
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net 
4:27 p.m.
Yeah I agree. once a month is too much, that and I never got a previous reminder as it
said it sent
73 Russ WL7LP
________________________________
From: Michael E Fox - N6MEF <n6mef(a)mefox.org>
To: 'AMPRNet working group' <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:20 AM
Subject: [44net] Dormant account warning
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
_______________________________________________
I just got the following. One month is way, WAY too short. If my records
needed updating every month, it would be a mess and I'd rather just shut
down.
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is just
too much.
Michael
N6MEF
Hello Michael,
THIS IS A SYSTEM GENERATED EMAIL FROM THE AMPRNET PORTAL.
Your account on the AMPRNet portal has been dormant for over one month.
It is important that you login regularly to ensure that your personal
details
are up to date, as well as ensuring that any AMPRNet resources allocated
to you are correct, e.g. IP allocations, DNS entries, etc.
Please login to the AMPRNet portal soon:
https://portal.ampr.org
If you have any questions relating to this email, you may reply to it and a
human being will read it and respond.
Kind Regards,
Marvin,
The AMPRNet Robot
20 Sep
20 Sep
4:49 a.m.
Morning All,
Ok, an apology to those who received the 6 month warning, that was my mistake. I only
meant for the 1 month emails to go out but forgot to untick the 6 month ones!
Now, with regards to these emails: First of all DON’T PANIC !!
Nothing bad is going to happen if you don’t login to the portal once a month, nor does
anyone expect you to login every month if you don’t wish to. The email is just a reminder
that the portal is there, so if you do happen to change any of your details you are more
likely to remember the portal and update your details. We all receive the monthly emails
from all the mailing lists we subscribe to, I don’t think it’s asking much to have one
email a month in your inbox, which you can just delete if you don’t wish to read it, but
at least you will have seen it and the portal, therefore, will be more likely to be
remembered if you change your email the following month.
The system is now setup to send emails once a month to anyone who has not logged for at
least one month, if you haven’t logged in for at least 6 months the text of the email is
slightly different, i.e. a bit more suggestive that you login, after 9 months the text
warns you that your account will be de-activated if you continue not to login. After 12
months the email advises you that your account will be de-activated.
So all you have to do is login once a year, as Brian said - not much of an imposition. You
don’t even have to “do” anything except login, then log right back out again if you wish -
there is no “updating” to do - we just need to know you’re still alive and interested in
all things AMPRNet.
If you don’t agree with these timings, or you feel the wording of the emails could be
different, then by all means get involved in the process of developing the portal code. If
you’re not a programmer, no problem - you can help test code, report bugs, write
documentation, suggest improvements, etc.
73,
Chris
G1FEF
1:04 p.m.
OK Chris.
A reminder email once a month is customary. But the contents of the email
that was sent don't match your description of what you meant to say. The
wording of the email includes "warning," is prompting for action
"soon", and
specifically says we must login once a month.
Specifically:
"Subject: Re: [44net] Dormant account warning" (warning usually indicates
something bad)
"Your account on the AMPRNet portal has been dormant for over one month."
(the allocations are actively used)
"It is important that you login regularly ..." (evidently not true)
"Please login to the AMPRNet portal soon:" (evidently not needed)
"... please login to the portal at least once every month and ensure that
your details are correct" (evidently not needed)
Based on your description of what you meant to say, I suggest something like
the following.
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Subject: Monthly AMPRNet Portal Account Reminder
This is a monthly reminder that you have an account on the AMPRNet portal:
https://portal.ampr.org
It is important that you maintain up-to-date records of your personal
details and your resource allocations, e.g. IP allocations, DNS entries,
etc.
You must login at least once a year to indicate that your account is still
active. Other than that, if your records are up-to-date, you don't need to
do anything.
If you have any questions relating to this email, you may reply to it and a
human being will read it and respond.
Kind Regards,
Marvin,
The AMPRNet Robot
---
Web: ampr.org
Wiki: wiki.ampr.net
Portal: portal.ampr.net
44Net mailing list: hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/.
PORTAL NOTE: If you do not log into your portal account at least once a
year, several attempts to contact you by email will be made. If we are
unable to contact you, then your account and any IP allocations, DNS entries
and gateways under your account will be removed.
WIKI NOTE: If you have any technical information relating to the AMPRNet,
please consider adding it to the Wiki so others can benefit from your
knowledge.
------------------------------------------
For users who haven't logged in for over a year, I would expect a different
message which requests immediate action. The message should be sent a few
times, perhaps once a week for a couple of months, before any action is
taken to remove an account. Remember, people travel for multi-week
vacations, spend time in the hospital, email gets put in spam folders, etc.
The damage due to deleting an active account is far greater than the slight
problem of letting an account linger for a couple of extra months.
Michael
N6MEF
2:24 p.m.
Don't forget that once a person has changed email addresses without
updating the portal then return replies to the update announcement will hit
the portal indicating such and go into lala land.
Don
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Michael E Fox - N6MEF <n6mef(a)mefox.org>
wrote:
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OK Chris.
A reminder email once a month is customary. But the contents of the email
that was sent don't match your description of what you meant to say. The
wording of the email includes "warning," is prompting for action
"soon",
and
specifically says we must login once a month.
Specifically:
"Subject: Re: [44net] Dormant account warning" (warning usually indicates
something bad)
"Your account on the AMPRNet portal has been dormant for over one month."
(the allocations are actively used)
"It is important that you login regularly ..." (evidently not true)
"Please login to the AMPRNet portal soon:" (evidently not needed)
"... please login to the portal at least once every month and ensure that
your details are correct" (evidently not needed)
Based on your description of what you meant to say, I suggest something
like
the following.
----------------------------------
Subject: Monthly AMPRNet Portal Account Reminder
This is a monthly reminder that you have an account on the AMPRNet portal:
https://portal.ampr.org
It is important that you maintain up-to-date records of your personal
details and your resource allocations, e.g. IP allocations, DNS entries,
etc.
You must login at least once a year to indicate that your account is still
active. Other than that, if your records are up-to-date, you don't need to
do anything.
If you have any questions relating to this email, you may reply to it and a
human being will read it and respond.
Kind Regards,
Marvin,
The AMPRNet Robot
---
Web: ampr.org
Wiki: wiki.ampr.net
Portal: portal.ampr.net
44Net mailing list: hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/.
PORTAL NOTE: If you do not log into your portal account at least once a
year, several attempts to contact you by email will be made. If we are
unable to contact you, then your account and any IP allocations, DNS
entries
and gateways under your account will be removed.
WIKI NOTE: If you have any technical information relating to the AMPRNet,
please consider adding it to the Wiki so others can benefit from your
knowledge.
------------------------------------------
For users who haven't logged in for over a year, I would expect a different
message which requests immediate action. The message should be sent a few
times, perhaps once a week for a couple of months, before any action is
taken to remove an account. Remember, people travel for multi-week
vacations, spend time in the hospital, email gets put in spam folders, etc.
The damage due to deleting an active account is far greater than the slight
problem of letting an account linger for a couple of extra months.
Michael
N6MEF
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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cheers, Don
19 Sep
19 Sep
4:30 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20:08PM -0700, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to
verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is just
too much.
I agree. Once a year is adequate.
- Brian
4:33 p.m.
I agree also. Make it once every 3 months. That would be better.
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brian Kantor <Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20:08PM -0700, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
--
Ted Gervais
1464 Luxury Ave.,
Windsor, Ontario.
Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just
to verify that we're all
still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is
just
too much.
I agree. Once a year is adequate.
- Brian
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
4:59 p.m.
Once a year or 6 months (if we are clearing out inactive accounts)
------------------------------
John D. Hays
K7VE
PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
<http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
<http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Ted Gervais <ve1drg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> _______________________________________________
> I agree also. Make it once every 3 months. That would be better.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brian Kantor <Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
> > _______________________________________________
> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20:08PM -0700, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
> > > Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that we're
> all
> > > still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is
> > just
> > > too much.
> >
> > I agree. Once a year is adequate.
> > - Brian
> > _________________________________________
> > 44Net mailing list
> > 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
> > http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ted Gervais
> 1464 Luxury Ave.,
> Windsor, Ontario.
>
5:23 p.m.
Perhaps we should take a vote?
--
Ted Gervais
Samsung Galaxy S5
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From: K7VE - John <k7ve(a)k7ve.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 04:59 PM
To: AMPRNet working group <44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: [44net] Dormant account warning
>(Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>_______________________________________________
>Once a year or 6 months (if we are clearing out inactive accounts)
>
>
>------------------------------
>John D. Hays
>K7VE
>PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
><http://k7ve.org/blog> <http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays>
><http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays>
>
>On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Ted Gervais <ve1drg(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>> _______________________________________________
>> I agree also. Make it once every 3 months. That would be better.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Brian Kantor <Brian(a)ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > (Please trim inclusions from previous messages)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:20:08PM -0700, Michael E Fox - N6MEF wrote:
>> > > Perhaps once a year is a good requirement, just to verify that
we're
>> all
>> > > still alive. But if things are stable, forcing a login every month is
>> > just
>> > > too much.
>> >
>> > I agree. Once a year is adequate.
>> > - Brian
>> > _________________________________________
>> > 44Net mailing list
>> > 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu
>> > http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ted Gervais
>> 1464 Luxury Ave.,
>> Windsor, Ontario.
>>
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