dear Rob The Working alternative (pi in this case) is not working .. im trying to help the guy to understand where the problem is and due to the fact that im not strong in software and he does not good in networking and speccialy not in ip-ip i had to go back to the solutions im more strong with them I suspect the problem is ipip blocking by the isp so i prefer to take a working solution that work at my home tested and plug it to the new place and see if it works if it works then we will work with the "other solutions" but we are in a start stage with unknown problem Currently im the only one who help the peoples here in my country ... from all the genius here (in my country) only 3 are connected (include myself) so you understand no much help i can get here as i wrote before i know to deal better with hardware solutions rather then software so thats what i can do to help the guy to track problems /// As for Cisco currently i use mikrotik but i know there are fellows here who use solution with cisco and work fine for me the cisco worked fine include script that deal with all other 44 net tunnels //// and if they http://www.cisar.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemi… are using cisco i think i can use too .. 73's Ronen -4Z4ZQ http://www.ronen.org Centro Italiano Sperimentazione ed Attività Radiantistiche - Centro Italiano Sperimentazione ed Attività Radiantistiche<http://www.cisar.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=300> www.cisar.it CISAR associazione nazionale radioamatori ________________________________ From: 44Net &lt;44net-bounces+ronenp=hotmail.com(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu&gt; on behalf of Rob Janssen &lt;pe1chl(a)amsat.org&gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 1:39 AM To: 44net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu Subject: [44net] ipip tunnel problem for new gateway (Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ I think we have explained you many times that this is NOT a correct config. People have helped you with setting up working alternatives, someone has even gone all the way to write software for a commercial router to work as an AMPRnet tunnel router. All that effort seems to have gone to waste. You are still deploying those Cisco routers with only a default route. It's a shame. Rob _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net(a)hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net