What would you have me do? It's clear that the majority of the entries in the DNS are bogus. We have NOTHING to reference except the portal data. Doesn't it make sense to try to get that data in order?
Yes, but as I mentioned many times before, there is no sane way of migrating the data that *is* still valid towards the portal. There is no clear way for the user to request their existing allocation to be loaded into the portal. Not automatically (e.g. by querying the DNS), not manually (by filling in a form with existing addresses).
One can only ask for new allocations and place a comment that says in fact one wants to move an existing allocation. I cannot ask the users to do that, and I don't like to edit all those requests manually. I think the portal should facilitate migration of existing data at least until that process is completed. There should also be procedures to migrate large blocks of data, as our own network infrastructure has hundreds of hosts that I do not want to enter in a webform one by one!
I have recovered all update mail messages sent to the portal after 1994-01-01 and have added a date stamp to all the lines in my own hosts file with the latest date of an addition of data for each callsign. The file is available at http://pe1chl.nl.eu.org/hosts/hosts.137
Today I have done another mailing and a local amateur radio newssite has placed it on their newspage. This time I requested all the users that want to *keep* their allocation to reply by mail.
When I get a reply or make a new registration I update the stamp to the current date. Next month I will just delete all records with a date before 2010. That should get rid of all the records from "the old days" and only leave those that were added during our more recent experiments. Last time I did this (two years ago) I kept the records for those that I could not reach, but this time those will get deleted. (of course they can always request to get them back when they notice it)
Rob
People -- we need the cleanup. I say, be aggressive. If an active DNS record gets deleted, just recreate it -- Sheesh.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rob Janssen pe1chl@amsat.org wrote:
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What would you have me do? It's clear that the majority of the entries in the DNS are bogus. We have NOTHING to reference except the portal data. Doesn't it make sense to try to get that data in order?
Yes, but as I mentioned many times before, there is no sane way of migrating the data that *is* still valid towards the portal. There is no clear way for the user to request their existing allocation to be loaded into the portal. Not automatically (e.g. by querying the DNS), not manually (by filling in a form with existing addresses).
One can only ask for new allocations and place a comment that says in fact one wants to move an existing allocation. I cannot ask the users to do that, and I don't like to edit all those requests manually. I think the portal should facilitate migration of existing data at least until that process is completed. There should also be procedures to migrate large blocks of data, as our own network infrastructure has hundreds of hosts that I do not want to enter in a webform one by one!
I have recovered all update mail messages sent to the portal after 1994-01-01 and have added a date stamp to all the lines in my own hosts file with the latest date of an addition of data for each callsign. The file is available at http://pe1chl.nl.eu.org/hosts/hosts.137
Today I have done another mailing and a local amateur radio newssite has placed it on their newspage. This time I requested all the users that want to *keep* their allocation to reply by mail.
When I get a reply or make a new registration I update the stamp to the current date. Next month I will just delete all records with a date before 2010. That should get rid of all the records from "the old days" and only leave those that were added during our more recent experiments. Last time I did this (two years ago) I kept the records for those that I could not reach, but this time those will get deleted. (of course they can always request to get them back when they notice it)
Rob
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On February 7, 2016 3:12:11 PM EST, K7VE - John k7ve@k7ve.org wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ People -- we need the cleanup. I say, be aggressive. If an active DNS record gets deleted, just recreate it -- Sheesh.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rob Janssen pe1chl@amsat.org wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
What would you have me do? It's clear that the majority of the
entries in
the DNS are bogus. We have NOTHING to reference except the portal
data.
Doesn't it make sense to try to get that data in order?
Yes, but as I mentioned many times before, there is no sane way of migrating the data that *is* still valid towards the portal. There is no clear way
for
the user to request their existing allocation to be loaded into the portal.
Not
automatically (e.g. by querying the DNS), not manually (by filling in a form with existing addresses).
One can only ask for new allocations and place a comment that says in
fact
one wants to move an existing allocation. I cannot ask the users to do that,
and I
don't like to edit all those requests manually. I think the portal should facilitate migration of existing data at least until that process is completed. There should also be procedures to migrate large blocks of data, as
our
own network infrastructure has hundreds of hosts that I do not want to enter in a webform one by one!
I have recovered all update mail messages sent to the portal after 1994-01-01 and have added a date stamp to all the lines in my own hosts file with
the
latest date of an addition of data for each callsign. The file is available at http://pe1chl.nl.eu.org/hosts/hosts.137
Today I have done another mailing and a local amateur radio newssite
has
placed it on their newspage. This time I requested all the users that want
to
*keep* their allocation to reply by mail.
When I get a reply or make a new registration I update the stamp to
the
current date. Next month I will just delete all records with a date before 2010. That should get rid of all the records from "the old days" and only
leave
those that were added during our more recent experiments. Last time I did this
(two
years ago) I kept the records for those that I could not reach, but this time
those
will get deleted. (of course they can always request to get them back when
they
notice it)
Rob
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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I reviewed the proposed deletions for VK2, and I'm fairly confident those entries are no longer required. 73, Matt VK2RQ
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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:16 PM -0800, "Bryan Fields" bryan@bryanfields.net wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ +1
On February 7, 2016 3:12:11 PM EST, K7VE - John wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________ People -- we need the cleanup. I say, be aggressive. If an active DNS record gets deleted, just recreate it -- Sheesh.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rob Janssen wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
What would you have me do? It's clear that the majority of the
entries in
the DNS are bogus. We have NOTHING to reference except the portal
data.
Doesn't it make sense to try to get that data in order?
Yes, but as I mentioned many times before, there is no sane way of migrating the data that *is* still valid towards the portal. There is no clear way
for
the user to request their existing allocation to be loaded into the portal.
Not
automatically (e.g. by querying the DNS), not manually (by filling in a form with existing addresses).
One can only ask for new allocations and place a comment that says in
fact
one wants to move an existing allocation. I cannot ask the users to do that,
and I
don't like to edit all those requests manually. I think the portal should facilitate migration of existing data at least until that process is completed. There should also be procedures to migrate large blocks of data, as
our
own network infrastructure has hundreds of hosts that I do not want to enter in a webform one by one!
I have recovered all update mail messages sent to the portal after 1994-01-01 and have added a date stamp to all the lines in my own hosts file with
the
latest date of an addition of data for each callsign. The file is available at http://pe1chl.nl.eu.org/hosts/hosts.137
Today I have done another mailing and a local amateur radio newssite
has
placed it on their newspage. This time I requested all the users that want
to
*keep* their allocation to reply by mail.
When I get a reply or make a new registration I update the stamp to
the
current date. Next month I will just delete all records with a date before 2010. That should get rid of all the records from "the old days" and only
leave
those that were added during our more recent experiments. Last time I did this
(two
years ago) I kept the records for those that I could not reach, but this time
those
will get deleted. (of course they can always request to get them back when
they
notice it)
Rob
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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John D. Hays K7VE PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
People -- we need the cleanup. I say, be aggressive. If an active DNS record gets deleted, just recreate it
The active DNS records/users are the real customers here. All this bookkeeping and number fandangling is just to facilitate and enhance what they're doing. The technology exists to make it all auto-magic and that's how it should be... A ping, telnet, ftp or email on a regular basis should be enough of a keep-alive to preserve registration.
Bill, WA7NWP
On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rob Janssen pe1chl@amsat.org wrote:
(Please trim inclusions from previous messages) _______________________________________________
What would you have me do? It's clear that the majority of the entries in the DNS are bogus. We have NOTHING to reference except the portal data. Doesn't it make sense to try to get that data in order?
Yes, but as I mentioned many times before, there is no sane way of migrating the data that *is* still valid towards the portal. There is no clear way for the user to request their existing allocation to be loaded into the portal. Not automatically (e.g. by querying the DNS), not manually (by filling in a form with existing addresses).
One can only ask for new allocations and place a comment that says in fact one wants to move an existing allocation. I cannot ask the users to do that, and I don't like to edit all those requests manually. I think the portal should facilitate migration of existing data at least until that process is completed. There should also be procedures to migrate large blocks of data, as our own network infrastructure has hundreds of hosts that I do not want to enter in a webform one by one!
I have recovered all update mail messages sent to the portal after 1994-01-01 and have added a date stamp to all the lines in my own hosts file with the latest date of an addition of data for each callsign. The file is available at http://pe1chl.nl.eu.org/hosts/hosts.137
Today I have done another mailing and a local amateur radio newssite has placed it on their newspage. This time I requested all the users that want to *keep* their allocation to reply by mail.
When I get a reply or make a new registration I update the stamp to the current date. Next month I will just delete all records with a date before 2010. That should get rid of all the records from "the old days" and only leave those that were added during our more recent experiments. Last time I did this (two years ago) I kept the records for those that I could not reach, but this time those will get deleted. (of course they can always request to get them back when they notice it)
Rob
44Net mailing list 44Net@hamradio.ucsd.edu http://hamradio.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/44net
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John D. Hays K7VE PO Box 1223, Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 http://k7ve.org/blog http://twitter.com/#!/john_hays http://www.facebook.com/john.d.hays
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