10 Sep
2021
10 Sep
'21
1:53 a.m.
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current
forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting
the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr
on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project
of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool,
because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to
host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI
10 Sep
10 Sep
3:23 a.m.
That’s a good idea.
I have setup 44net-fr for you:
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
<https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr>
If you want any of the French language pages changing please let me know.
73,
Chris - G1FEF
On 10 Sep 2021, at 06:53, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current forum or
mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr on our mail
server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project of a link between Corsica and
France shows the need of such a tool, because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to host such a 44net-fr
mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI
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https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
3:42 a.m.
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
That’s a good idea.
I have setup 44net-fr for you:
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
<https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr>
Thank you very much Chris. I'm not available right now, but I'll have a
look later.
73 de TK1BI
4 a.m.
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
<https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr>
Ahem... It seems I have some routing issues :
mailman.ampr.org resolves to 44.76.7.7. But currently, only
44.190.0.0/16 is routed to public Internet. 44.76 is currently not
routed outside of the island. Same for portal.ampr.org, which seems to
have migrated from 44.190 to 44.1.
Has the TAC proposal about renumbering been approved, and should we
apply it ASAP ? Or did I miss something ? :-)
73 de TK1BI
4:09 a.m.
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet. There are many prefixes being announced
via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so routing only 44.190/16 to the internet is
probably not a good idea as you will be unable to reach a lot of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
73,
Chris
On 10 Sep 2021, at 09:00, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net
<44net(a)mailman.ampr.org> wrote:
Le 10/09/2021 à 09:23, Chris Smith a écrit :
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr
<https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net-fr>
Ahem... It seems I have some routing issues :
mailman.ampr.org resolves to 44.76.7.7. But currently, only 44.190.0.0/16 is routed to
public Internet. 44.76 is currently not routed outside of the island. Same for
portal.ampr.org, which seems to have migrated from 44.190 to 44.1.
Has the TAC proposal about renumbering been approved, and should we apply it ASAP ? Or
did I miss something ? :-)
73 de TK1BI
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5:04 a.m.
Le 10/09/2021 à 10:09, Chris Smith via 44Net a écrit :
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet. There
are many prefixes being announced via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so routing only
44.190/16 to the internet is probably not a good idea as you will be unable to reach a lot
of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
I never noticed any problem with mailman, because my email address is
hosted on a public cloud, and only my provider's mail server sent SMTP
messages to mailman. I never tried to access mailman in http before.
Our TKNet network is a "work in progress", and is mostly a "closed"
network for now. We announce 44.190.11.0/24 network on Internet. And we
route 44.190.0.0/16 to Internet (via our 44.190.11 gateway address).
About the rest of the 44 net, we currently do not route it anywhere,
because I don't know exactly where and how to route it (IP-IP mesh ?
eBGP HamNet ? Via tunnel ? to Internet ?). It seems the right way would
be to implement eBGP for HamNet, IP-IP for the rest of the world, and
set a default route to public Internet. But I never took time to
implement this.
I look forward to the decision of the TAC. We need to simplify and
clarify things, HI :-)
5:11 a.m.
Actually, any subnet NOT in the RIP broadcasts should be routed to the
public internet.
If you want to preserve your original 44 address, this should be done
via amprgw (but it will be slower), otherwise NAT it via your ISP's
public IP if you don't use a BGP announced 44 subnet.
Marius, YO2LOJ
On 10/09/2021 12:04, Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net wrote:
Le 10/09/2021 à 10:09, Chris Smith via 44Net a écrit :
No, the TAC proposal has not been approved yet.
There are many
prefixes being announced via BGP (over 400 last time I checked) so
routing only 44.190/16 to the internet is probably not a good idea as
you will be unable to reach a lot of 44 hosts.
Mailman has been on 44.76.7.7 for several years this is not new.
I never noticed any problem with mailman, because my email address is
hosted on a public cloud, and only my provider's mail server sent SMTP
messages to mailman. I never tried to access mailman in http before.
Our TKNet network is a "work in progress", and is mostly a "closed"
network for now. We announce 44.190.11.0/24 network on Internet. And
we route 44.190.0.0/16 to Internet (via our 44.190.11 gateway
address). About the rest of the 44 net, we currently do not route it
anywhere, because I don't know exactly where and how to route it
(IP-IP mesh ? eBGP HamNet ? Via tunnel ? to Internet ?). It seems the
right way would be to implement eBGP for HamNet, IP-IP for the rest of
the world, and set a default route to public Internet. But I never
took time to implement this.
I look forward to the decision of the TAC. We need to simplify and
clarify things, HI :-)
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44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
5:24 a.m.
Le 10/09/2021 à 11:11, Marius Petrescu via 44Net a écrit :
Actually, any subnet NOT in the RIP broadcasts should
be routed to the
public internet.
I installed RIP over IP-IP on our previous iteration, but it's not
implemented on our current POP, mostly by lack of time and interest. RIP
over IP-IP is IMHO a thing of the past, and I'm waiting for the future
proposals from the TAC.
73 de TK1BI
8:39 a.m.
Why going to another forum? Maybe ask Chris for another section into this server so that
everything that is part of 44 net can be discussed in one place?
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De : 44Net <44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org> de la part de
Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 01:53
À : AMPRNet working group
Cc : Toussaint OTTAVI
Objet : [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current
forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting
the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr
on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project
of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool,
because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to
host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI
_________________________________________
44Net mailing list
44Net(a)mailman.ampr.org
https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
8:44 a.m.
nver mind! it is already there!
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De : 44Net <44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org> de la part de pete
M via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 08:39
À : 44Net general discussion
Cc : pete M
Objet : Re: [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Why going to another forum? Maybe ask Chris for another section into this server so that
everything that is part of 44 net can be discussed in one place?
________________________________________
De : 44Net <44net-bounces+petem001=hotmail.com(a)mailman.ampr.org> de la part de
Toussaint OTTAVI via 44Net <44net(a)mailman.ampr.org>
Envoyé : 10 septembre 2021 01:53
À : AMPRNet working group
Cc : Toussaint OTTAVI
Objet : [44net] Creating / hosting a new sub-mailing-list 44net-fr ?
Hi,
I often talked with French 44net guys, and it appears there's no current
forum or mailing-list for communications between us, without polluting
the world-wide 44net list.
A long time ago, I planned to create a dedicated mailing-list 44net-fr
on our mail server, but I never finished it, HI :-) The current project
of a link between Corsica and France shows the need of such a tool,
because private mails are becoming too bulky.
My primary idea was to create a group on groups.io.
As AMPR has now fundings and technical team, would it be possible to
host such a 44net-fr mailing-list directly at ampr.org ?
73 de TK1BI
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