Hello 44Net friends --
I'm operating a BGP-announced subnet of 44/8 for some paging and SDR experiments, and with some new access to other facilities, I'm looking into adding some geographic redundancy for my network, setting up an ASN, and beginning some public peering.
However, what I am coming to discover is that Brian's LOA only gets me so far... :) Many networks in Europe are doing proper per-peer prefix filtering, constructed from IRR data in various registries. I would like to get my 44/8 prefix listed in one of these registries with my ASN listed, so that I can get all this automatic filtering working.
Generally, most networks seem to be using the RIR-provided IRR registry for this data, which for us in the US and with AMPR would be ARIN. There are also some commercial IRR databases. https://www.radb.net/ seems to be the most-widely mirrored, but it costs ~$500/year to use. As this is just a hobby project for me, it's difficult to justify the costs of a commercial registry.
Might it be possible for AMPRNet users to use ARDC's ARIN accounts to list some "inetnum" IRR data for our prefixes? Depending on the outcome, maybe this would be some useful information to list on the FAQ in the Wiki.
Thanks, jof
On 6/18/19 7:12 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
Might it be possible for AMPRNet users to use ARDC's ARIN accounts to list some "inetnum" IRR data for our prefixes?
No, it's a Direct Assignment, not Direct Allocation.
Hi Jonathan, There are free options that don’t imply using the IRR from an RIR. I have an ARIN direct assignment of a /48 ipv6 space and ASN. I BGP through a 6in4 tunnel from Hurricane Electric for free and use http://altdb.net/ http://altdb.net/ as IRR, not ARIN.
Here are the instructions on how to use It: http://fcix.net/whitepaper/2018/07/14/intro-to-irr-rpsl.html http://fcix.net/whitepaper/2018/07/14/intro-to-irr-rpsl.html
Eloy W4ERP
On Jun 18, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Lassoff jof@thejof.com wrote:
Hello 44Net friends --
I'm operating a BGP-announced subnet of 44/8 for some paging and SDR experiments, and with some new access to other facilities, I'm looking into adding some geographic redundancy for my network, setting up an ASN, and beginning some public peering.
However, what I am coming to discover is that Brian's LOA only gets me so far... :) Many networks in Europe are doing proper per-peer prefix filtering, constructed from IRR data in various registries. I would like to get my 44/8 prefix listed in one of these registries with my ASN listed, so that I can get all this automatic filtering working.
Generally, most networks seem to be using the RIR-provided IRR registry for this data, which for us in the US and with AMPR would be ARIN. There are also some commercial IRR databases. https://www.radb.net/ seems to be the most-widely mirrored, but it costs ~$500/year to use. As this is just a hobby project for me, it's difficult to justify the costs of a commercial registry.
Might it be possible for AMPRNet users to use ARDC's ARIN accounts to list some "inetnum" IRR data for our prefixes? Depending on the outcome, maybe this would be some useful information to list on the FAQ in the Wiki.
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There is an alternative database that is free to use at http://altdb.net/ http://altdb.net/. You essentially just send objects that you want to add or modify to auto-dbm@altdb.net mailto:auto-dbm@altdb.net. You will have to send off a maintainer first which must be approved by the database admin. If you don’t already have a person object in another database which I suspect you do not, then you will have to create one at the same time. Here is an example maintainer based off of mine:
mntner: MAINT-NAME descr: Name's Maintainer admin-c: NAME-ALTDB tech-c: NAME-ALTDB upd-to: email-address@example.com mnt-nfy: email-address@example.com auth: MAIL-FROM email-address@example.com mnt-by: MAINT-NAME changed: email-address@example.com 20190618 source: ALTDB
A person looks something like this:
person: Name address: 1010 Some Road address: City, State Zip Code address: Country phone: Phone number including country code fax-no: Phone number including country code e-mail: email-address@example.com nic-hdl: NAME-ALTDB notify: email-address@example.com mnt-by: MAINT-NAME changed: email-address@example.com 20190618 source: ALTDB
There is a good article with more information here: http://fcix.net/whitepaper/2018/07/14/intro-to-irr-rpsl.html http://fcix.net/whitepaper/2018/07/14/intro-to-irr-rpsl.html
On Jun 18, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Lassoff jof@thejof.com wrote:
Hello 44Net friends --
I'm operating a BGP-announced subnet of 44/8 for some paging and SDR experiments, and with some new access to other facilities, I'm looking into adding some geographic redundancy for my network, setting up an ASN, and beginning some public peering.
However, what I am coming to discover is that Brian's LOA only gets me so far... :) Many networks in Europe are doing proper per-peer prefix filtering, constructed from IRR data in various registries. I would like to get my 44/8 prefix listed in one of these registries with my ASN listed, so that I can get all this automatic filtering working.
Generally, most networks seem to be using the RIR-provided IRR registry for this data, which for us in the US and with AMPR would be ARIN. There are also some commercial IRR databases. https://www.radb.net/ seems to be the most-widely mirrored, but it costs ~$500/year to use. As this is just a hobby project for me, it's difficult to justify the costs of a commercial registry.
Might it be possible for AMPRNet users to use ARDC's ARIN accounts to list some "inetnum" IRR data for our prefixes? Depending on the outcome, maybe this would be some useful information to list on the FAQ in the Wiki.
Thanks, jof _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
Hi Jof,
ARDC doesn't have any ARIN accounts. As a legacy allocation, it's in our better interest not to. And they're expensive!
However, if you want, I'd be happy to put an IRR object for you in the ALTDB registry. That seems to work pretty well. I believe a lot of European ISPs are combining the many IRR databases together to build their filter lists, so it might work for you. Write to me off-list and we'll discuss it. - Brian
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 04:12:11PM -0700, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
Hello 44Net friends --
I'm operating a BGP-announced subnet of 44/8 for some paging and SDR experiments, and with some new access to other facilities, I'm looking into adding some geographic redundancy for my network, setting up an ASN, and beginning some public peering.
However, what I am coming to discover is that Brian's LOA only gets me so far... :) Many networks in Europe are doing proper per-peer prefix filtering, constructed from IRR data in various registries. I would like to get my 44/8 prefix listed in one of these registries with my ASN listed, so that I can get all this automatic filtering working.
Generally, most networks seem to be using the RIR-provided IRR registry for this data, which for us in the US and with AMPR would be ARIN. There are also some commercial IRR databases. https://www.radb.net/ seems to be the most-widely mirrored, but it costs ~$500/year to use. As this is just a hobby project for me, it's difficult to justify the costs of a commercial registry.
Might it be possible for AMPRNet users to use ARDC's ARIN accounts to list some "inetnum" IRR data for our prefixes? Depending on the outcome, maybe this would be some useful information to list on the FAQ in the Wiki.
Thanks, jof
Hi,
Le 19/06/2019 à 02:01, Brian Kantor a écrit :
However, if you want, I'd be happy to put an IRR object for you in the ALTDB registry.
Would it be helpful and/or needed for any of us ?
Could someone explain further the consequences of not having such a record ? Why does it currently work without those records ?
Thank you in advance. 73 de TK1BI
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:50:04AM +0200, Toussaint OTTAVI wrote:
Hi,
Le 19/06/2019 02:01, Brian Kantor a crit :
However, if you want, I'd be happy to put an IRR object for you in the ALTDB registry.
Would it be helpful and/or needed for any of us ?
Could someone explain further the consequences of not having such a record ? Why does it currently work without those records ?
Thank you in advance. 73 de TK1BI
I believe it depends mainly on whether your ISP or its upstreams are building their BGP filter lists from the routing object databases. Many in Europe are. Most in the USA aren't. So whether it's needed or not is dependent upon your network service provider's internal policies. - Brian
Le 19/06/2019 à 14:51, Brian Kantor a écrit :
I believe it depends mainly on whether your ISP or its upstreams are building their BGP filter lists from the routing object databases. Many in Europe are. Most in the USA aren't. So whether it's needed or not is dependent upon your network service provider's internal policies.
Thank you for your answer. For now, we are using Vultr (via a VPS hosted in Paris, and a GRE tunnel to Corsica). And we didn't notice any problem about that.
Anyway, as I'm planning to expand my local data center capabilities, I'm negociating with a new French operator, so that it can manage BGP announcement for us, and deliver 44.x traffic directly on our fiber router here in Ajaccio, for just a few bucks more.
Thank you for making us aware about that. I'll ask if they need this IRR object or not.
73 de TK1BI
IIRC Vultr registers your prefix with the RADb as "Vultr Customer Route" or something alike. That will make your asn/prefix pair work with most providers. On the other hand, I met some providers completely ignores the RADb and/or LoA, and do their own due diligence, I believe there are good stories behind these practices.
Cheers,
Quan
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 11:55 PM Toussaint OTTAVI t.ottavi@bc-109.com wrote:
Le 19/06/2019 à 14:51, Brian Kantor a écrit :
I believe it depends mainly on whether your ISP or its upstreams are building their BGP filter lists from the routing object databases. Many in Europe are. Most in the USA aren't. So whether it's needed or not is dependent upon your network service provider's internal policies.
Thank you for your answer. For now, we are using Vultr (via a VPS hosted in Paris, and a GRE tunnel to Corsica). And we didn't notice any problem about that.
Anyway, as I'm planning to expand my local data center capabilities, I'm negociating with a new French operator, so that it can manage BGP announcement for us, and deliver 44.x traffic directly on our fiber router here in Ajaccio, for just a few bucks more.
Thank you for making us aware about that. I'll ask if they need this IRR object or not.
73 de TK1BI _________________________________________ 44Net mailing list 44Net@mailman.ampr.org https://mailman.ampr.org/mailman/listinfo/44net
However, if you want, I'd be happy to put an IRR object for you in the ALTDB registry.
Would it be helpful and/or needed for any of us ?
Could someone explain further the consequences of not having such a record ? Why does it currently work without those records ?
Thank you in advance. 73 de TK1BI
I believe it depends mainly on whether your ISP or its upstreams are building their BGP filter lists from the routing object databases. Many in Europe are. Most in the USA aren't. So whether it's needed or not is dependent upon your network service provider's internal policies.
- Brian
A lot of tier 1 & 2 carriers, as well as local ISP's filter on ingress as well, especially in Europe, although elsewhere as well. So if your route is not in one of the databases that are used for filtering then you will not be globally routed, that is a certainty.
Regards, Chris
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