Hi 44Net Community,
Over the past week since launch, we've seen some questions come up about subdomains and DNS. I'm writing to share some information that aims to address some of those questions.
The new portal allows members to manage their own DNS records. You can also claim any existing DNS records under ampr.org in the zonefile.
However, there are some caveats to this new functionality. To avoid confusion, below is some information for managing DNS records and/or claiming any existing DNS records:
Option 1 (Preferred):
If you already have one or more DNS records in the ampr.org DNS and they are under a subdomain that consists of your callsign, the quickest and easiest way to get them assigned to your account is to place a request for a subdomain. You can do this by selecting "My subdomains" from the "DNS" menu and then clicking on the "Request a subdomain" button. On the next page, select "ampr.org" from the list of domains (it's the only one there at the moment), enter your callsign in the "Subdomain:" field, and then click "Create request".
This will create a ticket for an admin to check. If your callsign is already verified, and you have requested a subdomain that is identical to your callsign, then the admin should simply approve the request, where any existing DNS records under the subdomain will automatically be pulled into your account. We advise you to keep an eye out for any "ticket updated" notifications should the admin have any questions.
Once you receive a notification that your request has been approved, you can then select "My subdomains" from the "DNS" menu, where you should see your subdomain listed. If you click on the "Resource records" icon, you will be able to view all your DNS records as well as add new records under your subdomain.
Option 2 (Recommended ONLY for certain use cases):
Alternatively, there is another way to claim your existing DNS records; however, you should *only* use this method if you a) only have one record, or b) if you have multiple records that are not all under a callsign subdomain name (i.e., [callsign].ampr.org). If a) or b) apply, select "Domains" from the "DNS" menu, and then click on the "Resource records" icon next to the ampr.org domain. This will list all of ~50,000 existing records (don't worry, it will paginate them!). You can then use the "Search:" box to search for your records, as it performs a real time search and also works on partial entries.
Once you have found your records, click on the "Claim" icon, which will create a new ticket for an admin to process. Keep an eye out for ticket updates, as the admin may wish to ask questions to clarify your request. If the admin is happy with your request, your request will be approved, and your DNS record will be assigned to your account. You can view the record by selecting "My records" from the "DNS" menu.
Please note that this will *not* create a subdomain, just a standalone record that you can manage.
IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN ONE RECORD UNDER A SUBDOMAIN, PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS SECOND OPTION, AS IT WILL CREATE A NEW TICKET EACH TIME YOU CLICK THE "Claim" ICON !!
As always, if you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to reach out, and please report any bugs you run into at newportal@ardc.net, providing as much detail as you can about the bug.
73, Rebecca KO4KVG
I would think that coordinators, who are managing various projects as well as hand-holding for newbies in our areas, needs to have this clarified and updated properly so that we can do our jobs.
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Hello Rebecca,
The new portal allows members to manage their own DNS records. You can also claim any existing DNS records under ampr.org in the zonefile.
Why would the new portal system let people manipulate DNS records for other people's allocations? That sounds like a very bad idea.
Option 2 (Recommended ONLY for certain use cases): . . .
Once you have found your records, click on the "Claim" icon, which will create a new ticket for an admin to process. Keep an eye out for ticket updates, as the admin may wish to ask questions to clarify your request. If the admin is happy with your request, your request will be approved, and your DNS record will be assigned to your account. You can view the record by selecting "My records" from the "DNS" menu.
Who is this "admin"? Is this the regional AMPR subnet coordinator that will review and bless this "DNS claim"?
I need to check out the new portal now that it's back up but were all the old DNS records pulled into the portal system? I know at least in my 44.4.0.0/16 zone, there are still some legacy DNS entries that don't reflect to specific allocations that the old AMPR portal had any record of. This all happened with a previous regional coordinator and while I continue to try to contact these people, it's very VERY slow going.
--David KI6ZHD
It is not an admin but many admin now.
the ticket system is monitored by a multiple of people that have also more or less capacity to resolve different problem. This will help with giving answer to low complexity problem like password lost or bad email and let higher level admins to fix real stuff.
Pierre
VE2PF
________________________________________ De : David Ranch via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org Envoyé : 10 avril 2024 14:34 À : Rebecca Key; 44net@mailman.ampr.org Objet : [44net] Re: Regarding subdomains and DNS records
Hello Rebecca,
The new portal allows members to manage their own DNS records. You can also claim any existing DNS records under ampr.org in the zonefile.
Why would the new portal system let people manipulate DNS records for other people's allocations? That sounds like a very bad idea.
Option 2 (Recommended ONLY for certain use cases): . . .
Once you have found your records, click on the "Claim" icon, which will create a new ticket for an admin to process. Keep an eye out for ticket updates, as the admin may wish to ask questions to clarify your request. If the admin is happy with your request, your request will be approved, and your DNS record will be assigned to your account. You can view the record by selecting "My records" from the "DNS" menu.
Who is this "admin"? Is this the regional AMPR subnet coordinator that will review and bless this "DNS claim"?
I need to check out the new portal now that it's back up but were all the old DNS records pulled into the portal system? I know at least in my 44.4.0.0/16 zone, there are still some legacy DNS entries that don't reflect to specific allocations that the old AMPR portal had any record of. This all happened with a previous regional coordinator and while I continue to try to contact these people, it's very VERY slow going.
--David KI6ZHD
Hi David,
The new portal allows members to manage their own DNS records. You can also claim any existing DNS records under ampr.org in the zonefile.
Why would the new portal system let people manipulate DNS records for other people's allocations? That sounds like a very bad idea.
You misunderstand - the new portal allows members to manage their own DNS entries, not other people's.
Once you have found your records, click on the "Claim" icon, which will create a new ticket for an admin to process. Keep an eye out for ticket updates, as the admin may wish to ask questions to clarify your request. If the admin is happy with your request, your request will be approved, and your DNS record will be assigned to your account. You can view the record by selecting "My records" from the "DNS" menu.
Who is this "admin"? Is this the regional AMPR subnet coordinator that will review and bless this "DNS claim"?
Currently ARDC staff with some help from the TAC.
I need to check out the new portal now that it's back up but were all the old DNS records pulled into the portal system?
Yes, and it’s a mess, it contains just of 50,000 records, the majority of which are not being used. The problem is that over the years DNS entries have been added by anyone with access without any guidance, so each coordinator did their own thing, the result is a very messy DNS zonefile with a lot of “dead wood” that we need to tidy up.
I know at least in my 44.4.0.0/16 zone, there are still some legacy DNS entries that don't reflect to specific allocations that the old AMPR portal had any record of. This all happened with a previous regional coordinator and while I continue to try to contact these people, it's very VERY slow going.
That’s where the new portal will be able to assist - the plan is to allow people to claim their own DNS records, for a period of time (as yet to be decided) after which we will disable any unclaimed records, leave it a while longer to see if anyone shouts, then finally the disabled records will be deleted.
73, Chris - G1FEF
--David KI6ZHD _______________________________________________ 44net mailing list -- 44net@mailman.ampr.org To unsubscribe send an email to 44net-leave@mailman.ampr.org
It’s always been that way with the old portal too. And I can follow the reasoning as they do not and cannot know who owns which dns record(s)
But yes, in the new portal this should be fixed and I’m guessing that that is already on the backlog.
73, Ruben - ON3RVH
On 10 Apr 2024, at 20:34, David Ranch via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Why would the new portal system let people manipulate DNS records for other people's allocations? That sounds like a very bad idea.
Hi Ruben,
It’s always been that way with the old portal too.
The old portal did not have any DNS functionality (well it did but we never enabled it) so updates were carried out through the email robot and web interface with no checks or guidance on best practices - resulting in the mess we now have!
And I can follow the reasoning as they do not and cannot know who owns which dns record(s)
Indeed, there was never any concept of “owner” for DNS records until now.
But yes, in the new portal this should be fixed and I’m guessing that that is already on the backlog.
It is indeed.
73, Chris - G1FEF — ARDC Administrator
Web: https://www.ardc.net
73, Ruben - ON3RVH
On 10 Apr 2024, at 20:34, David Ranch via 44net 44net@mailman.ampr.org wrote:
Why would the new portal system let people manipulate DNS records for other people's allocations? That sounds like a very bad idea.
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